Wednesday, 31 December 2008
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Could This Happen Today?
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Do you think such a public display of Christianity or faith like this could happen today?
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not in america!
That is so amazing thank you for sharing that and I do think it will happen again when we finally decide we had enough ourselves and need Him
I think maybe in the south it would have a better chance... I was just at a Chick-fil-A in North Carolina that had posted boldly in the dining room a copy of their corporate mission statement...
"To glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us and to have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A"
If this was done in any northern "blue" state, there would probably be protests and boycotts.
If this company ever goes public, you know that the board of directors and shareholders will force the restaurant to open on Sundays and remove that mission statement.
Oh, you poor, oppressed Christians!
Non-Christians are constantly subjected to your religion. Of course it could happen! You just like to think it couldn't so you can whine about it.
@LadyLibellule@xanga - Right On
This is an incredibly interesting post. Even though our country was founded under the following premise:
We hold these truths to be self-evident. That we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (The Declaration of Independence),
public praise of our Creator is seen as an affront.
When the Founders used the term "self-evident" they were saying that their comprehension that basic human rights come from God, not government, was logical and arrived at by reason.
Consequently, Bible thumping, publically vocal Christians are quintessential Americana!
this always gets to me.
I can only pray that America will come back and realize that GOD did create all around us and we should be thankful and give praise unto our heavenly father! God bless you for posting this ! :)
I think what the Apollo 8 guys did was very appropriate given the context. They were basically the first guys to see the planet Earth from as far away as the moon. From that distance the Earth is small, blue, and peaceful. They got to see how small Earth is and how vulnerable we all were. And they got to see that we were all brothers living together.
So you see, reading Genesis was very appropriate for the occasion. What else could they have said?
As an aside, here's a video link to what astronomer Carl Sagan has to say about the planet Earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
That message would've been appropriate as well. But it's also atheistic, because according to Sagan, the smallness of planet Earth is evidence that we are alone and without God to help us. If that message was broadcast instead of Genesis, maybe there would be credible evidence that Christians are being persecuted...
honestly, im a christian and i think this is cool and all.. but it dosnt really explain much... for anyone if i talk about God it dosnt explain who... cuz God is a vauge term that every religion use... i mean im sure it was cool and all... but if it was for Christmas i would have used John 1 =D haha
Well, I can tell you the Chinese Taikonauts definately didn't quote scripture.
@LoBornlite@xanga - It merely says "the Creator," and not the Christian God. They could just as easily mean the Flying Spaghetti Monster or some dude named Mr. Creator.
Most of the Founding Fathers were deists, meaning they believe in a Creating figure, but that then left us to fend for ourselves. I't slike that third grade science project you left in the basement and forgot about.
@coolmonkey@xanga - The Creator is the Creator, not a cookie monster. Saying "merely" the Creator as you did indicates a high degree of idiosy. You may want to think about what Creator really means.
Saying that rights come from the Creator is so incredibly profound. Saying that rights and morals come from the Creator means that they are objective, not subjective and that they apply to everyone. God given rights apply to everyone.
And the deist thing is just propaganda. Most of the Founding Fathers were Christian, just like most Americans. The Colonies were established for religious freedom - Christian religious freedom. But now we understand religious freedom to apply to everyone.
The Creator who gives basic rights to man is specific and all-powerful. He is the source of truth. "We hold these truths to be self evident..."
@LoBornlite@xanga - I could just as easily say you are subject to Christian propaganda. If our founding fathers were so Christian, then why is there no mention of God in the Constitution? Why did they choose the term "Creator" instead of "Almighty God?"
Who says the Creator can't be the Flying Spaghetti Monster? If they wanted to say God, then why didn't they use his name? Why didn't the Christian fundamentalists mint "In the Creator we trust" on our money?
@coolmonkey@xanga - You say many things easily and most of them are wrong. What I stated are historical facts. Quibbling over synonyms for God is just more high grade idiocy.
The Declaration and the Constitution are documents of government not religion. The Christian Founders were tolerant and wise and designed the greatest society in history using those qualities. If you wish to learn what a religious constitution is read Gaudium et Spes from The Second Vatican Council of the Catholic Church. It is a good example.
The Creator is to be treated with reverence even if one does not believe in him. That is simple common courtesy. The Creator can not be the Flying Spagetti Monster because that term is the result of arrogance, condescention, and anti-Christian bigotry.
The lack of common courtesy is the mark of an intolerant, ignorant heathen. Christianity has been working against intolerance and ignorance since its inception.
@LoBornlite@xanga - So then I guess I can take solace that you won't declare me a witch and burn me at the stake then?
It COULD happen, but highly unlikely given the consequences the astronauts and the station that broadcast it can face. Certain groups are more tolerated and accepted than others as a whole, and others not.
The old "US govt is founded on Christian principles" could be argued till the cows come home but its pretty futile. Pretty much discussing politics, or religions.
But I do take qualms with people trying to remove "God" from everything. Don't take out God out of pledge of alliegance, and don't remove "In God we Trust" out of my benjamins. Whether it be for traditions sake or beliefs sake, some things are better to let be.
@coolmonkey@xanga - You can take solace from the fact that I won't call you a knuckhead!
Yes. A man...created the earth....out of nothing...then filled it with millions of species....each with a complex physical makeup....and then...he took a nap.
This is shlock, offensive to all common sense. I have a right, as an American, to not listen to astronauts, who are paid by MY TAX DOLLARS preach this garbage from space.
It is a cute, antiquated little story, and nothing else.
I support your right to worship Mr. Ed, or whatever adorable deity you can dream up, you should support my right not to have to listen to bullshit on national television.
Toodles.
@LoBornlite@xanga - tolerant and wise founders, eh? Oh! If they could see the Christians now :)
@lotta_valdez@xanga - Christianity has as its core values tolerance and wisdom. The view of Christianity that you possess is based on a series of cliches and incredibly bigotted ideas born out out modern propaganda.
In fact, Christianity built the West, the most tolerant, prosperous, advanced civilization the world has ever seen. By invoking the Creator in the creation of America, the American Founders brought his blessing down on our entire society.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are blessings from God. To reject God is to reject life and liberty necessary for happiness and invite total destruction. One of the things the Bible is quite clear on is the dire consequence of turning away from him. That is an example of simple wisdom.
Mentioning God in public is a good thing. It's like mentioning the sunshine and rain necessary for life. Singling out Christians and having such strong negative feelings for them without rational, reasonable cause is textbook bigotry.
Further, tax dollars don't buy silence. Not by the rules that created our Christian society. Such an idea defines intolerance.
I'm not sure why this is considered a "display of Christianity and Faith". Really? That's what God called us to? Quoting scripture from space? Whatever, it's cool. It was fitting, but I hardly am thinking it's some amazing display of faith.
I have friends who are currently sitting in prison in other countries awaiting their death sentence for sharing Christ, so this is just sort of a warm, fuzzy in comparison. And yes it still could be done today. A few people might throw a fit, but a majority of Americans would still see it as a feel good thing.