Friday, 05 September 2008

  • Five People You Don't Meet in Heaven (and one you might)

    willow by mr willow

    light at end of tunnel

    Many different people believe that if you are a Christian you will go to heaven... If this is so, that means that Fred Phelps will go to heaven. When you consider that non-Christians don't, that would mean that Phelps would go but not Princess Di and M. Gandhi. Is this fair? 

    --J. M., on a message board on Facebook

    (The scene is congruent to a completely irrelevant small town somewhere in the heartland of whatever country we were talking about.  Our protagonist, Mr. Smith, has just met a most unfortunate fate involving a truck, a moped, and a gross miscalculation of the laws of physics.  Mr. Smith follows a light to the end of a tunnel and is greeted by a man in fifteenth-century ecclesiastical garb.)

    MR. SMITH: Whoa, what happened? 

    THE MAN:  Welcome to heaven, Mr. Smith!  My name is…

    MR. SMITH: Wait, back up a second.  This is heaven?  You mean I died?

    THE MAN:  Quite amusingly, in fact.  Everyone does sooner or later; sooner, if I have anything to do with it.  As for getting into heaven, though, that’s just for people like you and me.

    MR. SMITH: I see.  What was your name again?

    THE MAN:  Tomas de Torquemada, at your service.

    MR. SMITH: Really?  The Tomas de Torquemada?  The Grand Inquisitor of Spain?

    TORQUEMADA:  The same!

    MR. SMITH:  Didn’t you spend your life organizing persecution of Jews and anyone who disagreed with you?

    TORQUEMADA: (smiling) I see my good reputation precedes me. 

    MR. SMITH:  And you were responsible for the torture and death of hundreds of people on false charges?  Or for differences of opinion?  Or for political or material gain?

    TORQUEMADA:  Aw shucks, you’re making me blush.

    MR. SMITH: And didn’t I hear that you died of Syphilis?   

    TORQUEMADA:  Hey, let’s not get personal.

    MR. SMITH: Well, if you don’t mind my saying so….   How did a person like you wind up in heaven?

    TORQUEMADA: (greatly affronted)  Why on earth would I not?  I’m a Christian, not like any of those heretic scum in hell.

    [Long pause]

    MR. SMITH:  So… You’re saying that as long as a person believes what you believe, they go to heaven?

    TORQUEMADA:  Naturally. 

    MR. SMITH:  And it doesn’t matter how you live your life?

    TORQUEMADA:  How else would I end up here?

    MR. SMITH:  But everyone who disagrees with you…

    TORQUEMADA:  …My old friend Mr. Lucifer has been putting my inventions to very good use in the other place.  Care to see the new ones I’ve been working on?

    [Another long pause.]

    MR. SMITH:  Is there anyone who can give me a second opinion on this place?

    A LOUD AND THUNDEROUS VOICE FROM ABOVE: Yes!  “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”  (Matthew 7:21)

    MR. SMITH:  I knew it!  Get me out of here into the heaven where it matters what you do!

    (There is a thin scream from TORQUEMADA as the scene before MR. SMITH fades into a brilliant light.  A moment later, the scene readjusts itself to much the same as it was before, except another man is present in the place of the Inquisitor.)

    THE MAN:  Welcome to heaven, Mr. Smith. I’m Dudley, pleased to meet you.

    MR. SMITH:  Dudley?  I don’t believe I’ve heard of a Dudley.

    DUDLEY: Oh come, surely you jest. “St. Dudley Do-Righter-Than-Thou,” that’s my name.  You must have heard of me down there.  Everyone has. 

    MR. SMITH:  I haven’t had the pleasure. 

    DUDLEY: (coldly) Well then.  Let’s have a look at your report card.

    MR. SMITH:  My what?

    DUDLEY: Your report card!  Everyone gets one when they die. Then if your good deeds outweigh your bad, you pass and you get into heaven.  If not, well, you know.

    (MR. SMITH looks down and finds to his surprise that he is holding a small rectangular piece of white paper.)

    MR. SMITH:  Well, I’ll be.

    DUDLEY:  No, you were already.  Come on, let me see it!

    (He snatches the report card from MR. SMITH and scans it intently.)

    DUDLEY:  Ah.  You pass, but barely.  You only got a “Needs Improvement” in Church Attendance.  And very poor marks in Tithing.  And that’s a positively shameful showing in Deeds of Charity to the Deserving Poor!  Tut, tut, Smith.  What a pity.  If you hadn’t done so well on your Theology final, and managed to only get ten points off for an act of Petty Larceny, I doubt you’d have made it in here at all!

    MR. SMITH: (trying madly to grab back his report card) I don’t think that’s any of your business! 

    DUDLEY: (ignoring him) Now I, on the other hand, was the founder and president of a charitable organization to help poor white children in the suburbs.  You should have seen what everyone up here said when I showed them my four major international awards for humanitarian work!  Why here, I just happen to have them with me…

    MR. SMITH: Is there anyone who can give me a second opinion on this place?

    A LOUD AND THUNDEROUS VOICE FROM ABOVE: Yes! “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”   (Ephesians 2:8-9)

    MR. SMITH:  I knew it! Get me out of here into the heaven where everybody gets in!

    (There is a thin scream from DUDLEY as the scene before MR. SMITH fades once again into a brilliant light.  A moment later, the scene readjusts itself to much the same as it was before, except three men are standing in front of MR. SMITH.)

    FIRST MAN: Welcome to heaven, Mr. Smith!  So good to see you here.  I’m Herr Hitler.

    SECOND MAN:  Why hello there.  My name’s Nero.  Have you seen any good murders lately?

    THIRD MAN:  James T. Ripper.  You can call me Jack.… I say, did somebody say murder?  Sounds lovely.

    [Long Pause]

    MR. SMITH: Do I even need to ask?

    A LOUD AND THUNDEROUS VOICE FROM ABOVE: Yes!

    MR. SMITH: All right, is there anyone who can give me a second opinion on this place?

    A LOUD AND THUNDEROUS VOICE FROM ABOVE: Yes! “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?”  (1 Corinthians 6:9a)

    (Three thin shrieks are heard as HITLER, NERO, and JACK THE RIPPER vanish in puffs of smoke.)

    MR. SMITH: O.K., but doesn’t that just put us back in the last “heaven”?

    A LOUD AND THUNDEROUS VOICE FROM ABOVE: (continuing) “And such were some of you!”  (1 Corinthians 6:10a)

    MR. SMITH: “Such”?  You mean… the unrighteous people who don’t make it into heaven?  You mean I’m like them?  Then… what am I doing in heaven?  But wait, did you say “were” in the past tense?

    A LOUD AND THUNDEROUS VOICE FROM ABOVE: “…but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”  (1 Corinthians 6:10b)

    MR. SMITH: So… that’s what gets you into heaven?  Knowing that you don’t deserve it, but that Jesus can change that… can change you?

    VOICE FROM ABOVE:  Can change you.  Are you ready?

    Do you ever think about what heaven will be like and who you might encounter?

Comments (57)

  • tialoca_talks@xanga

    who sez Ghandi or Princess Diane won't be there?  i try not to bother myself with who specifically may or may not go to heaven...that is God's job to figure out and He is welcome to it...

  • k8tthelate@xanga

    I find more people are a  entertained and satisfied with who they think they won't find there.

  • fourthelement@xanga

    Huh.


    That's kind of why I like my religion...


    They tell us that you are not Christian by what you say you are, but by your actions.


    A true Christian treats others with dignity and love.


    And maybe, just maybe, they're Buddhist or Muslim or Jewish.


    But as long as they do God's will, they are Christians at heart.

  • mrcolorful@xanga

    Just because someone calls themself a Christian does not mean that they are a Christian.

    In addition how do we really know about the hearts of Princess Di and Gandhi?  You do not have to publically call yourself a Christian to actually be a Christian.

    I do have a few people that I am always curious where they might be but I don't dwell on it.

  • ashleyannaka@xanga

    Awesome "story". That's interesting. I don't bother myself too much with who will or who will not be there. It's not really my place to judge that. It's God's job.


    I do think about what it might be like though.

  • girlwithasong1133@xanga

    Awesome story. It made a really good point.

  • Maestro_Breezy@xanga
  • metal_core1@xanga

    As a Christian who believes in the Doctrines of Grace (Calvanism), I really liked the point you made with this post. I'm also happy that you included so many scripture references! It really added to the substance of this entry and gave it validity.


    Did you write that story? it was quite the enjoyable read!

  • sunnystarfish@xanga

    Whoever created this... he/she is very creative!  Now, I don't believe there is any evidence from the Scripture that after people die they either go to heaven or hell or in-between spiritual realms... but nevertheless, the point is clear.  It is by Jesus that we are cleansed from our unrighteous past to live a new life in Him!  I find it truly amazing that Heaven will be a place without tears, death, sorrow, crying, nor pain. Awesome, eh?  By the way, the last verse "Voice from above" alluded to is from verse 11 not 10b. Thanks for sharing :) 

  • goodnessgraceness@xanga

    @fourthelement@xanga - You have a great point that if people's actions do not match who they say they are, they cannot be real Christians.  Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)


    However, I don't see how Buddhists (for example) can be Christians at heart.  Buddhists do not follow God's will because God's express will is for people to follow Jesus Christ.  Without trusting in and being rescued by Jesus, everyone must pay the penalty for their sin.


    2 Thessalonians 1:8-9:  "He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.  They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power."

  • goodnessgraceness@xanga

    By the way, excellent post!

  • GodlessLiberal@xanga

    I was told by the crazy preacher on campus that every single student here at the University of Minnesota will be going to hell. (That's 60,000 sinners!) 

  • chaoswithashadow@xanga

    I think we will never know what heaven will be like until we get there because when we go to heaven, only our souls will go, we will not have anything earthly (including our flesh, bones, organs, etc).

    ps- kudos to fourtheelement

  • Papillon_Mom@xanga

    God always speaks to me through your posts.   Wonderful.

  • meezzy@xanga

    That was funny, creative and actually seemed believable. Kudos!

  • PrincessAgs@xanga
  • xapatotheworld

    @goodnessgraceness@xanga - thanks for that answer...I was going to put up my own, but yours was much more poinant. :)



    Yeah, and really great post.  I was confused when I first started reading it, but it's definitely clear by the end.  Thanks!

  • thirst2

    @goodnessgraceness@xanga - @xapatotheworld - And yet I marvel at Ghandi's humility and sacrifice and care for others - and wonder. Shall he be as Virgil, outside the gates of Hell, questioning what he worked for?

  • xapatotheworld

    @thirst2 - without Christ, there's nothing.  The End. 


    The Bible says that our righteousness is as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6).  Filthy rags being the same as menstrual cloths.  Everything that we brag about, that we think is wonderful...without Christ, it is nothing.  The "good" works of Ghandi may last for one generation after this, but who would want good works that last for a generation or two when you can have The Good Work of Christ in your heart which will last for eternity?

  • jnathanroy@xanga

    Incredible. I am blown away. Extraordinarily witty. Brilliant use of Scripture. Good explanation of the principal of Salvation. I think this will help the people who are on the fence concerning the faith v. works issue.

  • thefrenger@xanga

    as many of the others have said, an awesome post! i liked the fact how scripture was used to back up each of the questions mr smith asked. at first, i thought it was something about the matrix o__o (mr smith lol)

  • thirst2

    @xapatotheworld - But what is the good of Christ? We are asked to be humble and to love our neighbor. The stories we read in the Bible are stories of things people did for our Lord. Actions speak quite loudly.

    His work may not last a lifetime. But does that make it any less important. Saint Teresa's work may not last. But is hers more important because she was a Christian?

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  • AnnaMayBeGrimmjow@xanga

    I liked that story. So many people just take extremes when asking these things. We are saved by grace, and our actions don't matter when it comes to "getting into heaven" because everyone sins constantly. But that's still not an excuse to do whatever you want, and I don't think people quite understand that. Because we are saved by grace, we should want to try and better ourselves and our actions towards others. Because treating people with dignity and love is what betters our lives. These 'rules' people complain about are just as binding as a loving parent who wants the best for you. You'll still screw up anyway, but that doesn't mean they won't still love you. (and these are PERFECT parents)

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