Wednesday, 27 August 2008
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Question of the Day: Are Dating/Courtship Books Helpful?
In this forum revelifers are leaving their recommendations for books on Christian dating/courting. Have you read any books on dating or courting? Did you think they were helpful?
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books can only help you come up with solutions, but not exactly what you should do.
in the end, it depends on you and that other person.
My parents were really into the whole courting idea. They had me read three different books on the subject. (I Kissed Dating Goodbye, Her Hand in Marriage, Christian Courtship in an Oversexed World) However, I watched my friends who were actually practicing courtship and either I thought that it was the most ridiculous way to get to know someone or a ridiculous way to date. I "rebelled" and went with the way that actually made sense, dating. I have never read any other love advice books, especially by Christian authors. This way sound silly, but the truth is, I saw a lot of holier than thou attitudes with lofty ideals that I could never achieve. One book suggested that if you followed their timely advice and acted just like the Proverbs 31 woman you would never have a fight in your marriage. Puhlease...
@elelkewljay@xanga - I agree. I think books can give you some sort of starting guidance, but the journey taken between a couple stems off far beyond what the books will say.
well... the stories offer hope and offer some pretty good objective guidelines...
but it gets dangerous when one makes the book the formula for life... read them sure, take note of the stories you read, rejoice in what you read for the people and the examples and stories you read... but don't formulize the stories to be what you want God to copy....
i've read a few... and that was my biggest danger that I've noticed in me...
Read them sure... laugh and cry yes... but more or less Follow God closely and He'll lead you in this ideal...
I'd agree with the above: The books can be handy as good advice, but not as hard and fast rules or a blueprint for life. No two relationships are ever exactly the same.
For married or engaged (or very serious) couples, Marriage on the Rock by Jimmy Evans is very good.
I Gave Dating a Chance and He's HOT, She's HOT were the only two books I read in high school/shortly thereafter that were in any way helpful. Mostly because I grew up in circles that pretty much stuck with the "strictly courtship" model, and I have gone the dating route. [Though I'll be the first to say that I've definitely made my fair share of mistakes...but those were due to my own immaturity]
My church is a part of the family of churches that Josh Harris belongs to, so of course I also read his collection...didn't care for how he recommended everything be walked out, but I did appreciate his attention to the "heart of the matter" in relationships.
In my experience, lots of people put the courtship label onto dating.
I did enjoy some of these books. Also, for anyone who doesn't know, Passion and Purity is a Christian classic. It's by Elisabeth Elliot (wife of Jim Elliot who was martyred by the Auca Indians). It's not a blueprint for dating; it's wise advice about being pure in relationships and looking for a good life partner.
I don't care what people call their relationship as long as it's centered on God. My guidelines?
1. Be of marriageable age. I don't believe in serious romantic relationships of any kind until you're ready to be married.
2. Have accountability. Your other friends and family should be in on what you're doing and should be able to get to know the person.
3. Don't stick to artificial situations. This is one thing I hate about dating. If you form a relationship by "doing" things like going out to dinner, but you never see the other person in a normal life setting, you're not going to be able to really get to know them.
4. Be wise. You know what your weaknesses are. Don't do idiotic things like going to secluded places alone. Have solid physical boundaries set from day 1.
5. Have intentions. If you're in a relationship, it should be going somewhere. If there isn't even an idea of possible marriage, get out.
6. Heed warning signs. If there's a problem now, there will be a problem later. This is another reason to have accountability. When the lovey chemicals in your brain are going crazy, you need an objective opinion.
7. Pray often about your relationship, both as individuals and as a couple.
8. Don't be a doormat. If the other person has "great qualities" but doesn't treat you like a beloved child of God who deserves consideration, love, respect, and affirmation, then just GET OUT. Nothing makes up for that.
I highly recommend "I Gave Arraigned Marriage A Chance."
Actually, I never have, but I did read "Captivating" by John and Staci Eldredge shortly before I met my husband. It was really weird, actually! I read all about what God intended for women and for romance, and how women need to get their worth from the Father, not from some mortal man. As soon as I understood this, POOF. My husband fell out of the sky. Strange, huh?
@Theophilus166@xanga - I want that one!
@KechiNeko244@xanga - Captivating is awesome. I re-read parts all the time.
as a rule, i can't stand dating/courtship books. there's no set formula about how relationships work. sure, each couple needs guidelines, but those seem to be better found in advice from parents, trustworthy friends and mentors, etc, not from a book full of over-generalizations.
@alynn89@xanga - also, the bible is chock-full of guidelines about ALL relationships (as in love your neighbor as yourself, do unto others as you'd like done unto you, esteem others higher than yourself, etc). they definitely apply to relationships of the romantic type as well.
Advice for guys:
There's a lot of guys waiting around to find the right girl. They won't budge to venture out on their own journey until they have found their girl. Guys, get your direction and run with it--don't wait for your Helper to come along to do all the work of motivating you :) Set out to honor God in whatever you do, make a plan, go with it, and the right girl will come along when you're ready. A good book I read recently: "Mark of a Man" by Elisabeth Elliot.
I abandoned a lot of the how-to courtship/dating books. The approach/method is not the issue. It's really about the heart of both the man and the woman before they engage in the relationship.
It has been years, very literally, since I have read it, but I highly recommend Lady in Waiting to every female who ever wants to marry. It covers the basics of what women should be before they ever really think about dating/marrying.
i agree, it's about your heart. when we got married we had to outwardly follow a very conservative strict form of COURTSHIP. to look back we did not understand the whole of what purity meant. all the people who had all these 'good' rules really fall short when your emotions are runing high. we often stifled our feelings in an unhealthy way but we're glad we saved sex and our first kiss for marriage. get close to God and good luck!
There is no set formula for finding a spouse. I've read a lot of books on the subject, but I think the one that really helped me get going is "Getting Serious About Getting Married" by Debbie Maken which challenged the idea of the gift of singleness. She didn't really dismiss that the gift of singleness doesn't exist, but challenged the idea that every single person in the church has the gift of singleness. Just a note that the book is aimed for female readers, but even for a male, like myself, I found the information useful.
Like I said, there is no formula, and God writes a different unique love story for each married couple. However, the foundation for each marriage should be the same and centered around glorifying God.
i think the concept of courtship is outdated, so most of those books just don't make sense to me.
by the eHarmony.com founder Neil Clark Warren was a good read with a lot of great advice. I was skeptical to read it at first but was delighted with what I learned.
Prior to reading any of these, "Emotional Purity" is good to prepare your heart and learn to guard your heart for your future husband. It's by Heather Arnel Paulsen.
I've read Joshua Harris': "I Kissed Dating Goodbye".
It was an alright read. I think extreme, and a bit narrow in its scope. It was helpful, but only as helpful as any of these little self-help, supplemental reads will be. They are not to be adhered to as if it were the actual Word of God, only to the Holy Scriptures should we remain faithful. I say take what you can get from these, and move on.
To each his own....seek God, find contentment in Him or your marriage will be HELL.
Can I just say that asking a girl out is the hardest thing EVER! Jeesh.
I read quite a few of them, and they did nothing but confuse me. In the end...it's best to just follow God and let the Holy Spirit lead you...he will NEVER steer u wrong!
@alynn89@xanga - You took the words out of my mouth.
what the hell is courtshipping? why is it different than dating at all?
as a Christian I don't endorse the worlds consumer mentality of dating and no woman's going to be another star on my plane as it were. But if I'm going to tell you that I'm dating someone it's because I like them, I'm interested in marrying them, and both our parents know that. That's my definition of dating God's way under my conviction and interpretation of what glorifies him (it seems to also line up with most people who claim "courting instead of dating" as well).
Courting in my understanding is consideration of a business arrangement in which there is a waiting and pursuit period by the guy part to try and negotiate his way toward a treaty by the receiving a bride from the nest of a neighboring kingdom, sheik, or royalty, in addition to receiving a dowry of goods like camels and gold or spices or whatever the heck happens to be the commodity to trade. Courting is trafficking in human hearts as it were. From my understanding anyways. Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I claim no superior enlightenment) but only if you have a biblical explanation for the nature of the thing being otherwise.
Now admittedly, I didn't just kiss Josh Harris goodbye, I tossed his book into the garbage and my leftovers from the back of the fridge on top of that because he seemed to be completely missing the point and he has a writing style that, as an English major, makes me want to do absurd things out of sheer frustration (such as firing a bottle rocket down a manhole). Since then I've been rather skeptical about dating and relationship books. the only books I've ever read and agreed with that address love and relationships are John Eldredge's Captivating and Wild at Heart which as the last suggests deals with the human HEART instead of how business was done back in the days of yore where you got a wife with a side order of camels and peace covenants. The other book would be Emerson Eggerich's Love and Respect which is not about dating per se but about the love relationship once it's established.
Please someone reply to my comment and let me know what this courtship thing is all about and whether one can participate it biblically and humanely in a region that will not allow one to keep farm animals.
this day and age I see more and more christian authors springing up with ideas that seem fresh and original but are really just taking things to the extreme. though kindof off subject I recently read a book called The Barbarian Way which was almost a direct rip off of Wild at Heart except not well written and not as well thought out. It existed to sell copies and it does because it's "extreme" and that's what people want to hear these days is anything "extreme" to latch on to:
"Fast everything, movies, TV, internet, non-christian friends, music, and just read your bible for an entire year!"
"Never go on another date in your life!"
"Fast all solid food for a month!"
all extreme ideas... I've tried some of them even... they didn't work (obviously I can't have tried the never another date in my life if I've now renounced that mandate but I stopped dating for 5 years and as a result completely alienated myself from the entire female side of the human race for those 5 years just to keep me from wanting to date... it sucked). Now I'll admit Jesus is extreme at times. he did mandate a rich man sell everything he owned and give it to the poor. He told us to love our enemies. He died the most horrible death possible to prove his love for us.
but he never told me that if I think I might end up marrying someone... not to try and date them, and he never told Harris and other Christian authors to write down something extreme because it'll sell in today's extreme market. It's really and truly about glorifying Him isn't it...? If I'm dating someone and we together worship him, protest abortion clinics, pray together, text each other verses, and stay out of each other's beds... isn't that glorifying him?