Saturday, 02 August 2008
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Question of the Day: Picking Your Church
by revelife crew
We all know that church-shopping, like apartment-hunting or job-searching, can be incredibly draining. It's an incredible relief once you find somewhere that feels right!
How did you find the church you currently attend?
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My hubby and I go to a great church. We've had so many church problems through the course of our relationship. Our criteria was: 1.The sermons were straight out of the Bible, and not taken out of context. 2.The church was active is some type of mission work, not just growing the church for sake of numbers. 3.The people were friendly and welcoming. (we had 3 visitations at our house before we ever joined :) 4.There was a place for us to plug into and have fellowship.
We go to a church with more than 500 in attendance, and we managed not to feel lost in the crowd. I've been to a church with less than 100 members and never even got a handshake. We knew we'd never find the perfect church... so we found one that was close, that we liked, and stuck with it. Even though we didn't know anyone, we stayed and are still working on building relationships there.
"Go where I can make the most difference" is the criteria I use. Hence, I'm now currently at a relatively small church (less than 100) and helping out in the youth group and worship team.
As much as I love and follow God I don't trust ANY church enough to attend one. Believe me when I say I wish I could. I'd love to belong with a community of like minded believers.
That being said, if I were actively looking for a church, one of the main things I'd look for is "What is their doctrine?" The second thing is I'd take into account is the pastor. Because if the head is funky the body is going to be funky.I try to arrange a meeting with him/her if at all possible. I want to to be able to look them in the face as I speak to them. If the pastor is too busy to meet with me I will evaluate the church secretary or representative that answers that phone.How do they treat me? That is usually indicative of the tenor of the church. I consider the church's schedule. If all seems well, I'd then come services.
At services I'd see how the people worship. Are they joyful and earnest? Sweet! Do they seem beat down by their church leadership? RUN.How does the pastor preach? Is his/her heart in it? Or is it just a cold, religious ritual? Is it balanced?
Also, how do they treat the unreached/unsaved/backslidden? I am offended by pharisees. It says much for a church if the people genuinely are glad to see me, or any other visitor, there. I usually do not come back to a church where people look at me as some strange phylum of creature, or avoid me all together. Even a brief smile and a handshake is a good thing.
Anyway I'm being way too long winded. I have been in many a ministry in many a church and I've seen things and experienced more that make me very cautious and sceptical. So I hope I have not offended anyone by my reply.
you could call it a God thing...
basing myself in one church I wanted to see what God was doing in the community because I knew God is big and that He moves in other place not just where i go to church but that He somehow involves Himself in other places because He is big like that so 2 friends of mine and I decide to visit other churches around our area...
one of the friends who decided to make this trek w/ me suggested we go to this one church who "conveniently" had 3 services with which I could do my ministry back at the home base then check out this other service at this other church and so we go... needless to say the place was packed with people and the worship was grand... the teaching I felt could be better because the church i based myself on taught verse by verse so it was more baby food nonetheless... but still... a pretty rockin place....
well... my tenure at the home church i went to was dwindling because of creative differences, spiritual squelching, and what I believed was wrong worship theology which made me wonder if I needed to leave... needless to say I couldn't just stop... but sensed God sending me out to another area (the church I visited)... well... before making the move... i had to have personal confirmation before I make the step...
prayed and sensed God telling me to read the Book of Joshua... obviously being the lame brain I am I ask, "Sweet, what verse?". God, being patient as He is by grace said, "No little buddy, not a verse... read THE BOOK..."
so I spend a few weeks reading the book of Joshua... where Joshua is all about frontiering a new land filled with new opportunities promised by God...
Easter of 2004 rolls around and I knew as Jesus' resurrection was celebrated, I left... phased myself away from the circle of people i associated w/ save for 3 or 4 close friends, stepped down from the ministry there and plugged straight into this other church I've called home now for about a good 4.5 years... and love each second i'm involved in there...
BUT... i say look for a church w/ good sound doctrine and theology, believes the Bible for all it's worth, understands the mode of worship in the sanctuary, and does all it can to spur believers to reach out to the world in Jesus' Name.
how did I find my church? Well more like they found me... I pastor there
They hired me as the youth minister... ha ha
ZING!
1. sermons based on the bible. laid out in a way we can understand. ie .goes into the theology, explains the cultural context and meaning/significance of verses rather than appealing to just emotion.
2. church is inclusive rather than exclusive. ie doesn't divide our community. remember the church is like a hospital for our souls. doesn't tell u to vote politically either way.
3. practices love over religiousity.
4. gives to the community ie. taking care of the poor even though they're not believers.
5. prepares to teach you and let you grow spiritually.
We heard the chapter by chapter verse by verse teaching on a Christian radio station called HopeFM. We loved that all Calvary Chapel Churches go verse by verse chapter by chapter through the bible. So we started going to a Calvary Chapel
I passed the church I attend when I was going to the other church I was attending.
I passed it for about 3 months before I visited. When I did finally visit, I just knew it was where I am supposed to be.
Here is my criteria:
1. How friendly are the people? Beyond the greeters, does anyone else say hi to me on their own, without being told to do so? In a smaller church, someone should recognize you are new. In a larger church, do they have some kind of welcome for visitors?
2. The sermons. They don't have to be all flash and pop, but are they theologically sound, in context, and applicable to our daily lives? Has the pastor been to seminary and if not has he had some kind of biblical training. Just being another pastors assistant isn't enough for me.
3. Do they have outreach? Are they doing ANYTHING to help those in their community, city, state, country, and world. The more external the church is in its ministries and outreaches the more I am attracted to it. I want to be around people who actually believe in helping their fellow man.
4. Does the church care about numbers? Is it all about getting more people and building a bigger, better church, or are they happy with what they have?
5. Is this a place where I can worship without having to force myself? Will I be comfortable doing what I do when I worship while sitting here? Do the people seem to truly be worshipping?
So that's it. Friendliness, Theologically sound pastor, Outreach, numbers games, and worship.
I found a great church where people talked to me the minute the service ended and invited me to lunch with them. The pastor is great and knows his stuff. They are a young church that is just beginning to do outreach, but the heart and desire is there and I don't mind being part of the planning stages of outreach, as long as it is being done. (going to the Dominican Republic in November and working with a food pantry) They don't seem to care about the numbers. If they get more people, good, if not, then that is fine too. And I love the worship. I am not hugely demonstrative in my worship style, and neither are most of the people. But if I have the urge to raise my hands, I know it will be okay.
There is no perfect church, but being together with like minded people is awesome. Especially when we are impacting the world around us and doing what Jesus called us to do.
We found it by accident, looking for another one in the new neighborhood we moved into, but getting lost and deciding to go to this other one instead. We were welcomed right away, and the priest used Latin and Medieval history in his sermon. We felt right at home.
Also, it was the opposite of the religiously abusive church we had come out of, so we loved it for that reason.
I started out as an intern in the character building program for school kids and my/our church involvement and membership came though that..
I didn't really "choose" my church... I grew up going to my parish. It was just a few years ago that I started being more involved in my parish community, and I'm glad I am. Of course it has it's ups and downs, but I still love it there.
I go to my father's church but I'm actually in the process of finding a new church home...it can be quite scary when you've never belonged to a church apart from your parents...so reading other ppl's responses actually helps me...thanks for posting this topic!
If I did ever go to church, it would have to be:
-CLOSE, preferably walking distance. Definitely no more than a 15 min drive
-ACCEPTING of me and my beliefs, even when they contradict the churches teachings
-INVOLVED in community service and charity work
-FUN for adults, teens, and kids- fun in a way that even secular families could enjoy
-TOLERANT of alternative lifestyles: even if you believe someone is sinning, you know that it's up to God to decide. Your jobs is just to love and try to show people how great Jesus has made your life.
-UNIMPOSING upon public policy (not trying to force their morality/beliefs on others who aren't hurting anyone)
-ACADEMIC (reasonable) in their approach to and study of religion, philosophy, and mysticism
-KIND-HEARTED
If anyone knows of any such church near Decatur, GA, please let me know - I'd be perfectly open to attending sometime.
I was going to say I've attended the same church my entire life, but that's not quite true as the pastors changed and we've a new name and new 'identity' as it were.
I've always attended church due to my ma. The people I go to church with are like family, as they've all been part of church since I don't know how long. They've moved locations a few times and in recent years the entire move, direction and feel of church did a complete u-turn. In the mid nineties things started changing and the church, I suppose you could say, had a revival. I guess at the time I never looked at it that way, though certainly looking back that's what it was.
Before the church was very 'traditional', and I doubt if it had continued on the course it was I would still be attending. There seemed to be no life there. Then my pastors started a change, the church seemed to be splitting in terms of people wanting to stick to the old routine, fire and brimstone kind of preaching and a lot of negativity. There's only so much 'you're wicked people, unless you repent and live by these strict rules or you will burn in hell' you can take, week in, week out. I know some people can thrive in that type of church, but it's not for me. My pastor were bringing in life, had a new vision, and certainly the youth of the church were behind them.
So the new church was born lots of us followed, it was revival which certainly kept me in church. I couldn't imagine having to look for another church, it's beyond my thinking to consider going elsewhere. I know some people who've looked at other churches, seen the 'mass' of attendance and have been envious. But looking at the ministry team, my pastors are amazing people with such a vision that I want to be part of what they are building.
I can imagine the hardship people have finding a church, it's not a concept I've ever had to face. I've been to other churches, sort of visits when my pastors have went to 'guest speak' and such but have never felt as comfortable as attending my own, small as it is, it's home.
I entered my church for the first time when I was 8. I was a kid and my parents had just received Christ and took me to Sunday School. My family and I have experienced a lot of predicaments in our home church and even left it for a period of two years. But it was God who led us there again and showed us that we cannot grow anywhere else except for the church where He alone had planted us.
I just want to say that my church is far from perfect but I know my place is right there. I think it's one of the problems of Christians that they seek a perfect place - with perfect worship, perfect preachings, perfect people. There is no such place. Just seek God in your church and in any church. This is sufficient enough. Only God is perfect!!!
@Pariahtich@xanga - Sounds like you should come to my church! I believe it has most of the qualities you described. It's warm and welcoming. First thing you would notice is that when you walk in would be someone to greet you with a smile and handshake and a handout. Every Sunday after the first worship song and before the sermon, we have a time to walk around and say hello to each other and to new comers. Our senior pastor teaches right from the word and it isn;t all just fluff and such..it's deep, it's provocative and it's meaningful, even when it's pointed toward areas we should be working on AND it's straight from the Word. We support missions, both at home and over seas and the body overall is very active in engaging others be you a new Christian, a mature Christian or simply someone searching....
Are there issues within our church? things I might change if I were in charge...Yes, I suppose there are, as there would be in any church..We are after all God's imperfect children....
But overall our church is filled with love and support and encouragement all in Jesus' name....
Come visit sometime
My church has been really pushing for people to serve within it. Unfortunately, my desires to have a life have limited my ability to attend and serve as often as others at church. Unfortunately, because of this, my pastor and other worried brothers and sisters think I've been straying away from God.
I've tried many times to explain to them that my faith remains unchanged, but they seem to think otherwise. That is my only problem with my church, but I have changed my mind about going church-hunting because I had a really heartfelt conversation with a brother one time, and he said that, if I keep finding flaws in people and communities, I will never be happy.
And it's not like this church for the people, I go for God, so I guess I'm just thinking too much. Plus, if I switch churches, who says I won't find flaws in the new one either?
I went from church to church on Sundays till I found the one that I felt most accepted.
i go where i can serve
Still hunting...
We're looking for a church that is biblically sound, of course. We have been to churches and learned lessons about what to look for, unfortunately. It's important to us that the pastors are well-trained and formally educated, a solid eldership and deacon presence in the body, and a place where you are encouraged to strengthen your gifts and use them in service to others. I used to not care about the well-trained and formally educated concept, but after being under the leadership of a "pastor" who didn't know what he was doing and ended up hurting a lot of people with his arrogance and lack of counseling wisdom, we changed our minds! Sure, Paul didn't go to seminary, but he was well-educated in Jewish law and history... And a big thing - a church where there are no secrets!!
they hired me.
Our family was at a church where we were half the congregation - there's 11 of us all together - but still. There was really no fellowship there and we truly needed some. We went to this church a couple of our friends had recommended but only to cross it off our list (last time my parents had gone - a while ago no one even welcomed them.) So we went one Sunday to early service and then went to our church for it's regular service. We did that two weeks in a row and then just kept coming only to this one. When we started going only 900 people attended and now 4 years later 1300-1500 people attend every weekend. We have many pastors of different areas - the senior pastor remembered my mom and dad's name the 2nd time we had been there. They're so welcoming and we've gotten really involved with everything from missions, childcare for Bible studies, Sign language class (one of the services is entirely interpreted by people in the church for the deaf), and lots more. It's my home away from home.
Yes, Theophillus has the ticket. That is how I will "choose" future churches, as they hire me. Now, I must finish teaching here in South Korea, but I was asked today to give a sermon next Sunday, which will be my first. Good.
A church should represent the Bible, serve as a holy vessel for the Word of God. We can't cheapen that.
So, choosing a method to weed out the losers is a process which depends on the age. I suppose in the middle ages, you could save yourself a lot of church visits and long conversations by just asking at the door, "Excuse me, sirs, but do you sell tickets to heaven? Are you getting rich off that nonsense?" Then wipe the dust off your sandals and hit the road when they do not receive you well.
During America's racist period, you could save yourself a lot of trouble by making your first question, "Do you gladly accept members of any race? Do you encourage blacks to join your white cracker congregation?"
Today, I would use one of the following as a handy litmus test, "Um... pardon my obtuse, neanderthal questions, but do you discipline your members when they go astray even excommunicate some, as Catholics do? [I believe we need to be disciplined and excommunicated when we screw up sufficiently, else what does a church stand for?] Do you restrict leadership to males? Do you not allow divorced people to marry again(others), unless of course they are marrying each other again? Do you abstain from adding to the Bible, things like the Pope's fiat that declared that all Catholics believe thenceforth that Mary ascended into heaven [ca. 1950?]? Do you insist that wives should trust and obey their husbands in all things, like unto Ephesians 5?"
These should be enough to raise the ire of pretentious sycophants (wolves in sheeps clothing), who aspire to accept some, but not all, of the Bible.
My two cents worth. I am Baptists, but I admire the Catholics on many points, not least of which is their insistence that contraceptives are "intrinsically evil," and that "Official Catholic teaching has been for years that in every act of sexual intercourse, the possibility of conception must be present for it to be a valid part of a couple's life." => Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd ed. (Vatican: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1997) 2370.
If a group has enough integrity to give the right answers (those most closely reflecting holy scripture) on these unpopular questions, then they are worthy of further examination, no?