Wednesday, 30 July 2008
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To Christians, What's More Offensive than Gay Marriage?
I say, lots of things.
This is one of those hot topics that Christians are known for ardently debating in politics, church, etc. And with the recent legalization of gay marriage in California and now Massachusetts in the process of allowing non-resident gay couples to marry in their state, it's very much at the forefront of news, politics, and people's minds. It's one of the few things that really gets some Christians' blood boiling and sends churches in uproar.But sometimes I wonder why exactly this offends people as much as it does?
Let's get some things straight first - God never condones homosexuality. Yes, I know this, I get it. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible. But so is lying, drunkenness, jealousy, cheating, selfishness, idolatry, and all other acts of sexual immorality. So I just wonder why we elevate this sin above so many others? I don't recall reading about Jesus outright condemning homosexuality during his ministry on earth (but please correct me if I'm wrong), so why do we target this issue and gay individuals as much as we do?
I'm not going to lie and tell you that I'm 100% ok with gay marriage. I'm not. And honestly, I still get squeamish when I see a gay couple together. But if Christians are so offended by homosexuals, why are we not just as enraged by the other things that go on in this world?
Here's at least one thing that offends me more than gay marriage: the prevalence of pornography in our society. It's a multi-billion dollar industry that degrades both men and women, is available to children, encourages unbridled lust, and has a better chance of breaking up your marriage than your gay neighbors down the street have. But I rarely hear of the church and Christians going out in droves to protest this industry.
I think there's a ton of other things besides gay marriage which Christians should be more than or equally angry about, but that's just my opinion.
Do you ever feel like the church unfairly targets homosexuals? Or are we simply upholding God's design of marriage?
(Healthy debate is always welcome, but let's avoid any derogatory name-calling please.)
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fantastic post
It shouldn't be elevated. Sin is sin. What I think needs to happen is that people need to understand that if you condone sin in one aspect, you need to condone it all. If you feel that you are an exception, then there's no reason why you shouldn't allow others the same thought and action. The point is, we need to look at sin as it is: Sin.
I think people should have the right to fall in love and marry whoever they want. Religion should not be a factor in what's legal and what's not (hence the whole seperation from church and state thing). I am strongly for gay rights and although I am straight I get extremely offended myself when people insult gay people and say it's a sin. Other then the fact it's in the bible what exactly makes it a sin? Since when is love a sin? Why should love be illegal? That's all it is... love.
Actually, pornography has helped keep our economy as strong as it is. It brings in well over $4 billion a year, and growing, is at the forefront of EVERY technological advance (photography, VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, etc) and without it, would cause a massive economic collapse. Pornography is actually beneficial to society because it depicts (in many cases) safe sex (many participants in porno movies wear condoms) and promotes healthy activities such as masturbation (which has been scientifically proven to relieve stress, reduce menstrual cramp pains in women, and lower blood pressure). There's nothing unwholesome or wrong with pornography, as there is nothing unwholesome or wrong with gay marriage.
People just need to grow up and behave like damned adults, not simple minded children going "ewwww!" when they see mommy and daddy kiss.
i do think our focus is totally out of balance in regards to this issue. i mean, we tend to ignore the gossip, jealousy, slander, lust, deceit and contentiousness in our own midst and decide instead to target just one sin and instead of trying to hold up a standard of righteousness in our own lives.
yeah i think the church is pretty unfair to homosexuals. i don't even see how it can be a sin. ive read it's a genetic thing. so if God creates everyone or something, he'd be creating homosexuals...right? it's not as if they have a choice as to whether they want to date a guy or a girl. it's just in their genes.
(correct me if i'm wrong, though.)
i dont see the big deal.
Well, the main problem that I know a lot of Christians against gay marriage have is saying that it's against what the Bible says (like you stated already) and also the fact that they say it's unnatural. For me, I am completely comfortable with seeing a gay couple walking down the street holding hands, kissing or just hanging out. I mean, a marriage is an institution of love, right? So, what gives the right for a heterosexual couple to get married, but not a gay couple?
"Is it the fact that they won't be able to have children?" - There is adoption, anonymous sperm donors, seragent (spelling?) mothers, or foster children.
"It's unnatural?" - The attraction of one person to another is caused by the chemicals within the human being and those chemicals are natural.
"If they do have children, the children will be harassed everyday by other kids and even adults." - Even if the parents weren't gay, children are still being harassed everyday because of their race, their sex, their height, their weight, their appearance, their music tastes, and the list goes on. It is a matter of how the children deal this kind of prejudice by just brushing it off, keeping their heads high and aim to accomplish more than any other human being has.
And you are right. Why are they targeting gay marriage when there are worst things out there? Ever thought of the poverty of those in America and in other countries? How about the genocide in Darfur? Even the few of animal abuse gone unseen? Not to mention, there are plenty of homosexual Christians in the world. Is it wrong just because a book says so?
A sin is a sin
Homosexuality is a sin so I will stand on what the bible says and call it one.
I will also call abortion, lying, gluttony etc sins.
If God calls it a sin we should to and we should be careful not to support sin.
God says you are either for Him or against Him. There are only two kingdoms. The Kingdom of God and the kingdom of the world(satan).
If we are in God's kingdom we should walk after Him and follow the bible.
@laytexduckie@xanga - you said "Is it wrong just because a book says so?"
The bible is the word of God. It isn't just some book
Im accepting of gay marriage but pornography is one thing I have NO tolerance for. Just knowing my boyfriend used to look at it before he met me really irks me and I have no idea how furious Id be if I caught him looking at it while in a relationship with me. I just dont see the point in it at all.
But yea, as far as gay marriage goes, who cares what other people are doing? Its their lives, their loves, why cant other people just stay out of it? Im sure every gay person out there knows that God doesnt want them to be gay, so they dont need more people reminding them. Thats who they are....their lifestyles are different than ours. They had to learn to accept it which can be SOOO hard for them, so why cant we accept that they deserve happiness and love too?
Great Post...
@meriibunny@xanga - Thats what Ive wondered about. If God didnt want people being gay, then why did he create them that way?
@meriibunny@xanga - @xxmusicxxfreak@xanga - Love or genetics don't mean something can't be a sin. If I had an affair with someone else's wife, and we're really in love, it doesn't make it less a sin just because we're in love or because I have heterosexual genes.
But this is neither here nor there. The question isn't whether it's a sin at all, the question is whether it's a sin that Christians should be elevating over other less visible sins.
And the answer is no. Homosexuality is sin, and sin is a symptom of the fallen human condition--but no worse than any other such symptom.
Furthermore, why should Christians expect nonChristians to act like Christians, or to abide by the Christian concept of sin as a guide for their moral behavior? We can't reasonably expect that. While sin is universal and people are fallen whether they know it or not, we need to apply the CURE to the DISEASE--bring them to Christ who can regenerate their fallen nature if they choose--rather than try to cure or attack the SYMPTOMS.
In short: bring 'em to Jesus just like anyone else, but until you do, don't worry about what sin they're doing.
(Now, if you have Christians entering into homosexual marriages that's different, because Christians have to be held accountable by the church.)
@meriibunny@xanga - @Thirteenhearts@xanga - You both said you were wondering--it's never been proven biological, and there isn't any conclusive evidence, either. It's all speculation.
@meriibunny@xanga - that's a good point.
so true! it is so easy to ignore other sins and focus on that one! I think the devil really uses that as a foothold to turn people away from God.
Sin is sin, and I don't want to say that homosexuality is okay...
However, the stain and disrespect for people that struggle with this sin is more immense. Somebody says they struggle with porn, then the comments are about how we all struggle, and it's okay just fight the good fight. However, somebody says they struggle with homosexuality they become a lepor in society. It's okay to struggle with other sins, but not this one. Even someone who overcomes this... is still looked down upon, and its not right.
Well, I don't think that gay marriage should be legal. Â And since I have an opportunity to vote against it I probably will. Â However, I don't see it as any worse than any other sin. Â I think people are concerned about the structure of the family. Â There is a saying that does something like, "Our country is as strong as its families." Â I think it has some merit to it. Â Our families are where we learn how to interact with people (either in a healthy way or unhealthy). Â If all of our families are unhealthy, then their products (aka the future generations) will be generally unhealthy. Â From a Biblical perspective, gay marriage is unhealthy. Â Now, with that being said, I think divorce is just as unhealthy so I don't understand why divorced Christians are screaming about gay marriage being bad. Â This post brings up a VERY good point that gays should not be treated any differently by Christians than any other people.
@Thirteenhearts@xanga - sigh. exactly.
@Nikolais_apprentice@xanga - ack i didnt say i was wondering >.<
i think they found the gene that causes homosexuality in some worm though. so complex...*sigh*
of course, it isn't definite yet whether homosexuality is caused by a gene in humans. but then how is it caused? did God decide to bestow homosexuality upon a whole group of people?
@Kristenmomof3@xanga - Maybe because I'm not Christian, I do not understand the full power of God's word (the Bible). However, just because I'm not a follower of God does not mean I support Satan either. There are other religions that support the ideas of peace, love and unity. I, for one, am Buddhist and pretty much follow most of the same morals such as "Treat those as you would want to be treated."
All I am saying is that I feel, along with many others but not all, that homosexuality should not be considered a sin. It is simply the love between two human beings and love in one form should not be shunned just because it is against God's word.
@Nikolais_apprentice@xanga - I was referring to the "God making gays" part, not the biological part lol >_< Not that the biological theory is wrong, its very possible
aha! finally, a Christian with the guts to say what needs to be said. also, in the same chapter in leviticus that condemns homosexuality, planting two crops in one field is condemned, as well as eating shrimp and wearing two different fabrics. much of the harsh feelings towards gay marriage in the church comes from a misunderstanding of the bible and their own prejudices that elevate homosexuality above other sins in the bible.
Notice all the gay adds on this page? Is this harrassment?
I actually have some very close friends that are gay. Over the years of my life, I've found that it's something that is not up to me to judge (just like any other sinner). I rarely even think of them as gay or not gay when I'm with them. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about any of my friend's sexual preference, so why would they be any different?
So what I think of gay marriage, or what others think isn't going to change the relationship that person has with God. If I lie, and I am a liar, then that sin and my guilt or lack thereof is between me and God. So to answer the question, yes, I do think some churches unfairly target gays. Any reason we use to do so is still making ourselves the judge, instead of allowing God to take care of it.
If the world can change Gods mind by popular consensus. Then God is not in control. Last time I checked. Heaven was not a democracy.