Wednesday, 23 July 2008

  • Christians Are Not Brainwashed and Delusional

    magnolia by miss magnolia

    brainwash2 I've been a Christian for a number of years now. Accepting Jesus Christ as my Savior was one of the most important decisions I could have ever made on my own, so it makes me angry when people tell me I only believe in Christ because I grew up in a Christian household (I actually have two brothers who deny Jesus in their daily lives.) If brainwashing me as a child were that easy, I don't think I'd struggle so much with my beliefs as an adult.

    I wish that when non-Christians hassle me about believing in God, they would step back and realize that not all of their assumptions about me are true. People think I fell into my beliefs because I'm weak and I have my eyes closed - that I'm brainwashed into believing - and I'm using a man-made "God" in order to comfort myself. I'd like the atheists and agnostics who attempt to disprove Christianity in front of me consider and respect that my beliefs aren't based solely on fact and logic. It really is about faith and just because faith isn't written down in a book doesn't mean I'm totally ignorant.

    I want the atheists and agnostics who challenge my faith to ask my brothers why they deny Christ. If God and a relationship with Christ are just man-made schemes, why weren't they "brainwashed" into believing in a Creator? And yes, I understand that many will say, "It's because they're not blinded to reality like Christians are." If that's the case, how do we know who's actually blinded/brainwashed and who is in tune with reality?

    I'd be lying if I said I never doubted God. I go through these phases of loving God for everything I have and don't have, but every once in a while I don't know where God is...but believing is still a conscious choice.

    Have people ever accused you of being brainwashed or ignorant for your beliefs, whatever they are? How do you handle the criticism?

Comments (118)

  • captain_jaq@xanga

    @Schristian@xanga - Okay, thanks for promising me that because now I can live peaceably in our marriage knowing that you will always do what is best for our family. I'm the luckiest girl alive!!!!

    Oh, and let's get a pet pig. But if any of us (except the men of course) touch its skin, promise me to kill us in the most brutal, humilating, and honorable way possible. I don't think the bible has a suggestion, just says "put to death". I guess it's up to interpretation.

    Just gaymarry our whoredaughter off though because if she isn't a virgin on her wedding night, they'll have to stone her to death as well.

  • Schristian@xanga

    @captain_jaq@xanga - I like Egyptian mythology better to be honest. The whole thing starts off with a good bout of necrophilia and just descends from there.

    Our marriage will be perfect.

  • captain_jaq@xanga

    @Schristian@xanga - I can dig necrophilia, as long as we can have bestiality once in a while to break the monotony.

    Absolutely perfect! *gushes*

  • bittersunday@xanga

    @Schristian@xanga - Christians cannot say that all paths lead to god and still be Bible-believing Christians because the Bible says otherwise.  "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.  No one comes to the Father except through me."  John 14:6.

    { Note::  I'm not a Christian.  I don't even believe in god.  But I thought I'd respond to your comment from a Christian-ish perspective.   Hope that is okay.  ^^ }

  • bittersunday@xanga

    @captain_jaq@xanga - Don't ever cut your hair or eat shellfish either.  Oh, and remember that when you have your period, you have to sit in a tent for seven days.  Because heaven forbid that if you sit anywhere a man might sit on the same spot and thus become unclean!

    After you're done with your monthlies, you must sacrifice a dove.  Better stock up on doves!

    Levitical laws make me giggle.

  • captain_jaq@xanga

    @bittersunday@xanga - Oh geez Jill! HOW COULD I HAVE FORGOTTEN?! It ended today and I forgot to kill my dove. Does my wonderful, loving, amazing husband have to stone me to death for that???

    And silly me thought tampax would be enough to keep communal chairs clean.

  • Schristian@xanga

    @captain_jaq@xanga - Gawd I love you. I think we should have a public stoning of a woman who had premarital sex to celebrate.

    @bittersunday@xanga - It's all good.One should always know how to play "Devil's Advocate". You just pop the DVD in and hit "Start".

    Seriously though, that's the biggest flaw in the religion. Constriction and submission is so passé.

  • GodlessLiberal@xanga

    I enjoy a good Leviticus-off as much as the next heathen, but back to topic...

    Miss Magnolia, do you / do you plan to teach your children to be good Christians? To give them this exclusive viewpoint through their entire development? I'm assuming you do / plan to. Yet if I did the same thing with some other belief... for argument's sake, raising my children in a racist environment, THAT would be brainwashing. From my perspective, it seems that raising your child in a Christian bubble is quite similar... just as the racist child would probably not have turned out racist if they had been raised in an open-minded home, a child raised in a home devoid of religion is rarely going to become religious.

    The statistics show that while there are converts to Christianity, there are far more "converts" to becoming non-religious.

    The Jesuits have a saying: "Give me a child for his first seven years, and I'll give you the man."

  • huginn@xanga

    Faith itself is a departure from reason. At the point that unquestioning compliance and acceptance is accepted as a virtue, there will always be something in Christianity to mock and ridicule.


    If Christianity is good and real, it shouldn't need leaps of logic and leaps of reasoning in its foundations.


    "...so it makes me angry when people tell me I only believe in Christ because I grew up in a Christian household..."


    Most Christians adopted Christainity through familial upbringings. But you make a good point: It is 'o too easy to muddle and to generalize.


    This is a dangerous trap to fall into, especially at the level of one-on-one discussions.


    Have people ever accused you of being brainwashed or ignorant for your beliefs, whatever they are? How do you handle the criticism?


    Yes, Christians. I respond by making fun of them, of course. =P

  • huginn@xanga

    @GodlessLiberal@xanga - The statistics show that while there are converts to Christianity, there are far more "converts" to becoming non-religious.


    Also, on average, there is a higher percetnage of atheists holding advanced college degrees than Christians.

  • saxy_grrl@xanga

    I have been told that I am a blind follower simply because I stated that I am patriotic, and that I love my country. Eventually I just dropped the argument, even though I wanted to continue defending what I believe in so strongly.

    I've realized that no matter where you go, someone will call you an idiot for believing what you do, and as hard as it is, we must turn the other cheek (whoa! I'm using gospel in an argument! Sorry, but it's new to me ;P) and drop it. It's hard, because we want to defend our beliefs, but it's a lot harder to change someone's mind than it is to quit wasting the time and energy that it takes to do so.

  • captain_jaq@xanga

    @Schristian@xanga - God, just the thought of that gets me hot!

    Ooops, lust. Deady sin.
    I will be awaiting my public killing in my bedchamber.

  • socheapandjuicy84@xanga

    Well i've been accused of having no morals because i don't have a "god" to watch after me.  I guess sometimes we have to stay firm in what we believe in, no matter how many people tell you you're going to burn in hell for not repenting.

  • windyhubert@xanga

    I'm not in a Christian family, but I'm a Christian. =]


    If you believe in Jesus, that's it.
    If you don't, you can find out hundreds of criticial statement to argue with all the Christian.
    Criticism is nothing, but the faith/belief is everything.

  • mrsviolet

    It doesn't bother me any more.

    The bible says it is not me that they reject, but Christ.

    It happened to Jesus, so of course it will happen to me.

    x

  • pawpao@xanga

    I`ve never been hassled or questioned about being a Christian. My whole family is Christian (except for my older brother, who doesn`t really believe in any religion). My community is also Christian so I don`t feel left out or different. 

    I don`t know why some people would think Christians are "brainwashed". It`s called faith. We`re not forced to attend mass and to hear the Gospel. It` a CHOICE.Yes, maybe when as a child we didn`t have a choice but as we grow older we start to think for ourselves and see if the Christian faith is suitable for you. 
  • Ghost_X@xanga

    @KechiNeko244@xanga - You, like the average person (religious or not), are perceiving spacetime incorrectly. In fact, the way we perceive spacetime is an illusion. Spacetime doesn't exist at all as we see it. For one, it breaks down at the Planck level, so can't properly explain the universe in its entirety anyway. So, to begin with, imagine time doesn't exist as you perceive it (because it doesn't). No past, present, or future. Where is your 'beginning of the universe' now?

    The universe didn't come from nothing, the universe always existed. It is possible for it to do this without a first cause paradox (god), or an infinite regression paradox. Paradoxes are impossible, you see. The dimensions of space and time are merely human-made abstract concepts to try and understand what we are experiencing, and do fine in measuring most things we can observe, but not all of them, as I explained before.

    View the zero-volume singularity before the big bang as an edge of existence, not a start of existence. It is the edge of possibility. Nothing exists beyond the edge, since its impossible.

  • Punk_Rock_Mommy@xanga

    I try not to argue with anyone about my beliefs.  I can't make someone believe.  Heck, I didn't believe until I was 27 years old.  Only the Holy Spirit can open up the heart and my arguing with someone may drive them further away.  That being said, when I'm called ignorant or delusional, it's maddening.  I don't attack their personal beliefs but it's okay to attack mine.  I guess that's what makes them liberal and open-minded--they don't care who they offend.

  • haloed@xanga

    @la_faerie_joyeuse@xanga - I've had a similar experience.  Wonderful, amazing, intelligent people, but their reasoning and logic turns into jibberish, and if you try and debate with them about it, they don't have enough to prove themselves or disprove other possibilities.


    I must say though whoever writes on this site is intelligent, I will give them that, but in truth, relating FAR TOO MUCH to "Christianity" and "Acts of God".


    And the "athiests have no morals" was downright offensive AND ignorant.  I hope everyone realizes that.

  • MsquaredGF@xanga

    People call you ignorant because you believe in something that can't be proven.


    If you don't want people to hassle you, then stop telling people you're a Christian. Religion is a private issue. If people know what religion you are, then you're obviously talking about it too much.

  • haloed@xanga
  • Roadkill_Spatula@xanga

    How refreshing. Thoughtful, respectful, carefully reasoned discussion....

  • Solarhead@xanga

    true. Christians are not  delusional or misguided ... at least those that are comprise a tiny minority.  Muslims, Jews, Hindi (I use this term to encompass the faiths of India), and any other faith that seeks to comprehend the greater world, our relationship to it, and our relationship to each other, are not delusional either ... for the greater part.  The extremists and the fringe-fanatics of ANY faith or philosophy are the Brainwashed and Delusional.
    "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.  This is the first and greatest commendment, and the second is like unto it: thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets".

  • ElliottStrange@xanga

    @Schristian@xanga - Oh, this is the best comment. You sir, totally win.

  • ElliottStrange@xanga

    The subject can not be properly discussed with a religious person because they are incapable of impartiality. Faith makes logic in this sense, literally impossible.

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