Friday, 18 July 2008

  • Men and Women Are Not Wired For Platonic Friendship

    magnolia by miss magnolia

    platonic2 Way back during my early college years, I had the mentality that guys and girls could be platonic friends. I believed that guys and girls could hold the same friendships that girls do with girls or guys with guys. I even got into an argument about it with this guy I knew who was studying to be a pastor.

    Then one day I woke up and realized, "Guys and girls can't be friends!"

    I suddenly viewed all my previous "guy friends" as acquaintances, and not people who I would consider to be my friends. You see, I concluded that it is near-impossible for a guy and a girl to be friends without either person developing romantic feelings. All this time, I had defended so fiercely the idea that my guy friends were really just that: guy friends. Now when I looked at them, I didn't see friends because I was thinking about my future husband and one day having to explain to him that all these guys were my friends and we could hang out without him worrying about us hitting on each other. I felt like I'd been so naive as to think that two people of the opposite sex could be good friends.

    Think about telling your (future) spouse, "Dear, me and *blank* are just friends. We're not going to do anything behind your back. He's just a friend!" I think if my husband were to one day turn around and say, "*Blank female* and I are just friends going out for drinks," I'd be pretty upset.

    My point is, there is a reason why God created man and woman. He didn't say, "Man, here's a woman so you can be just friends." I'm pretty sure it was more to the tune of  "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh." -Genesis 2:24.

    Did God create us so we can really be just friends - no attraction or romantic feelings? When it comes down to it, isn't it safer to say that guys and girls can't be "just friends?"

Comments (187)

  • JoeyCagle@xanga

    I have a few close friends that are girls and I have no romantic feelings for them, and they have no romantic feelings for me.  And I'm a guy.  So I'm not so sure what you're saying is entirely true.

    Maybe generally true, yes.  It's not easy all the time for a guy and a girl to be good friends and not have romantic feelings.  But there are certain girls that I'm good friends with, and we have no romantic feelings for eachother.

  • adifferentkindofbeautiful@xanga

    I have guys who are just friends. You have to put them in a certain place in your mind and keep them there, or things can get messy really quickly... but it is possible!

  • Tigster@xanga

    So, essentially, you are saying that God created women so I could sleep with them all rather than be friends with them?

    I think I'm going back to church, this I can definitely subscribe to!

  • Smiles3667@xanga

    I don't think this is true.  I think you can be just friends with guys etc... I have a lot of guy friends who are just friends... and have been just friends for a long time.  And I'm very close with some of them.  It depends on the person. 

  • Viewtiful_Justin@xanga

    I disagree, and I think this shows some seriously shallow logic.

  • EilisAngelos@xanga

    @JoeyCagle@xanga - I pretty much agree with you here.

    Granted, there are some guys that I tend to consider the possibility of a further relationship with. At the same time, I would hate to ever lose their friendship should I eventually have a significant other. (Other than them. Does that make sense?)

  • MissJessicaClaramarie33@xanga

    All good ideas in this entry, but I do agree with what everyone else is saying, that it certainly is possible to be "just friends" with someone of the opposite gender. It definitely takes more work though, I'd say, but it's worth it, too.

  • mrcolorful@xanga

    I think that if you cannot trust yourself to be just friends with someone of the opposite sex then you are lacking in self-control.  Also, if you can't trust your spouse or significant other not to cheat on you then in my opinion you shouldn't even be in the relationship.

    Sure romantic feelings can develop but that doesn't mean that they have to ruin the friendship.  Heck, one of my best friends is a girl who I developed romantic feelings for a couple of years ago, all it took was conversation between us to straighten things out and get back to just being friends with a minimum of awkward moments.  Also, I have a number of other female friends who I have never had anything other than platonic feelings for and who I'd bet have never had anything but platonic feelings for me.

    The idea of not being friend with someone of the opposite sex because romantic feelings could develop is the exact same type of reasoning that would stop you from dating someone you like because they could break your heart.

  • Christie

    I think being friends with the opposite sex is definitely walking the fine line. I mean, even if you don't think it'll happen, it's always a possibility to fall for someone else. Women were meant to be pursued by men, so I don't buy the "just friends" thing, plus a man's eyes are never satisfied.

  • AdveniatRegnumTuum@xanga

    yeah, definately an overstatement on the part of the poster. However, I do agree that the tendency would be for close (I mean close as in emotionally open) friends of opposite genders to keep things platonic. When it comes to having a husband or wife, yeah, it seems (though I have no scripture to back me) that it is improper to be too close. When you are married your spouse should be the one you are compleatly open to. I cannot say that at that point a very close friend of the other sex is wrong but it seems unwise to me.

  • AdveniatRegnumTuum@xanga

    oops, ment that it would tend to be hard for close friends of opposite genders to keep things platonic, not that they would tend to stay platonic.

  • haemina@xanga

    i think it's possible, but it's rare. i cherish my guy friends, but i know i've had crushes on almost every single one at some point or another. i think i'm lucky that i'm still friends with them (and i came to my senses!), but yeah.. i guess it helps that i'm single/unmarried too.  i don't know how things would change if i were married.  i definitely wouldn't hang out w/ guy friends alone.

  • AdveniatRegnumTuum@xanga

    man it's so lame that there is no edit feture, I should get in the habit of not posting untill an hour after I write the comment :(


    I say that it would be hard to keep things platonic, what I mean is that it is quite posible that it would be hard. some people just don't click at that level and it's not an issue. also, keep in mind that we (or I at least) am talking only of Very close friends, not just someone you hang out with, even alot, but someone who you confide in habitually.

  • sweetboxc00kie@xanga

    contrary to the majority, i am in agreement with you. i too think that it is impossible to achieve the same dynamic of friendship between opposite sexes than with the same sex. both parties are never completely without some sort of sexual tension for there to be an sincere friendship... this is not some narrow-minded logic, but more a fact of biological matters. 

  • Nikolais_apprentice@xanga

    This upsets me even more than the post about SATC.  Are you saying we're all sex-crazed animals with no compassion or ability to love openly and purely?!  I have several guy friends who are like brothers to me, and I love them dearly--I've gone out for dinner, coffee, movies, stayed in and talked all night with them, the whole shabang, and there is NEVER a pretense that there might be something romantic.  The thought is repulsive--that would ruin such a wonderful relationship.  Any guy I date has to be fine with the fact that I hang out with my guy friends too.  And for my future husband--I do think that there are some things only a spouse should know, but I wouldn't tell my girlfriends those things either! 


    People who say there is no way men and women can be friends... I feel bad for you.  You're missing out on something wonderful.  =(

  • musicmom60@xanga

    I disagree....I am single and I have several guy friends, all married, and they have been my friends for years and years. Some of them were friends of my late husband, and we've known each other for a long time, and our families have grown up together. I am also friends with their wives.  They are like my brothers, and I can talk to them about anything.  I am not romantically attracted to them in any way, shape or form, and never would be.  It's just not an issue, and never has been.  I believe God brought us together as friends, all of us, and that God certainly blesses us with these friendships.  We are there for each other, through thick and thin.  I treasure my guy friends.

    I DO think it's awfully difficult, if not near impossible, to be "just friends" with someone of the opposite sex after you have been romantically involved and have broken up.  It's just too fraught with difficulties and feelings.  I suppose some people manage to pull it off, but I have found it to be very difficult in that case.  I suppose that depends on the situation.  I don't find temptation to be the issue, but uncomfortable feelings, whether hurt, anger, resentment, or lingering romantic feelings.  Usually one party has been hurt by the other, and it just makes things weird.
  • shards_of_beauty@xanga

    I think that it is possible for guys and girls to be friends, and that this looks differently in different seasons of life.  It can never be exactly the same as same-gender friendships, but if you define a friend as I do - someone you can call anytime of day or night about anything and their first question will be "what can I do to help?", then it is more than possible.  I have a guy friend I'll occasionally have lunch with if nobody else is around and his girlfriend (one of my best friends) is okay with that.  But the closer you get to marriage, the more oposite-gender friendships should become exclusively focused on the person you're going to marry.  But right now, being single, I have several platonic friendships with guys, who are actually my closest friends.

  • Thirteenhearts@xanga

    Ive always been closer to my guy friends than my girl friends and right now most of my friends are in fact men. I have a boyfriend, and even if I didnt have him, these guys are strictly friends to me. Im not sure how all of them feel about me, but I am pretty sure that not every single one of them wants to actually have a relationship with me.

    So yea, I think girls and guys are perfectly capable of being friends :) Im an example of that lol

  • droftreeology@xanga

    Before you are married, you can have friends who are just guys. but of course, you can't go hang out with those friends after you are married. There are several levels to friendship. You can't be really close friends with any guy other than your husband, but you can still enjoy talking to male friends, whether it's at church, at work, at school... But you can't get too deep.


    Back to being single. You both have to agree to keep things platonic. And you personally have to guard your heart against that. You can't let yourself fall in love with your guy friends. 


    Of course, a girl will have a tendency to fall in love with her guy friends. That's part of the edenic curse, back in the Garden of Eden:


    Genesis 3:16
    To the woman he said,
           "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
           with pain you will give birth to children.
           Your desire will be for your husband,
           and he will rule over you
    ." 


    It may sound like a good thing to have a desire for your husband, but it's called a curse for a reason! That's why it's so hard for a girl to be single, always wanting that close relationship with a guy. She is always desiring for her husband, whether she knows him or not.


    You have to guard your heart as a girl. I can't emphasize how important that is. Realize that these feelings you are developing are part of that curse, and that God will bring your husband to you when the time is right. Once you realize where these feelings are coming from, you can get over them and enjoy friendships! God made Eve for Adam's companionship.


    Boys and girls can be platonic friends. How do you think relationships get started? You build a platonic friendship, and then feelings grow. Your spouse is meant to be both a friend and a lover. That's why you got married! You love each other and you are very close friends. In the Song of Solomon, the Lover (Solomon) calls his Beloved "My Sister, my Bride." And no matter how much time you spend hugging and kissing your girlfriend or boyfriend, you're still just going to end up spending a lot of time together just as friends. You are brothers and sisters in Christ, and should love each other as such.

  • droftreeology@xanga

    @Thirteenhearts@xanga - Me too. I'd rather hang out with guys any day! I've always had boys who were my best friends growing up, and I feel more comfortable around guys my age than girls sometimes! Or at least I feel just as comfortable around guys as girls.

  • NaitoOfNarnia@xanga

    Whatever we believe on the issue, it should be handled with the UTMOST CARE, especially since, even in our best desire to honor God's design, we are fallen and Satan like to trip us up ever-so-gently in our really make us fall. But even if sin isn't a specific issue, when it comes to natural attraction, you can't always call the shots. Some people can be friends for years and then, BOOM!!! They realize they are actually attracted to each other and the rest is a God-bless history. :D


    I have a girlfriend and while she trusts me, a good deal due to her past hurts, she is rather uneasy when I talk about female co-workers as being "good friends". Part of it is due to insecurity. She was cheated on by a porn-addicted (ex)husband. And I have had my issues, too. Point is, while I think it IS possible to have a "just friends" friend of the opposite gender, tread carefully, especally if you have a spouce/significant other. And surely!!! Do not go out alone with a friend of the opposite gender. Even if nothing has ever happened nor ever will, don't even give the IDEA of sin (as we're instructed by God in His word). Just be wise. Honor God above all.

  • cobalt_redux@xanga

    It's easier to be platonic friends with gay men. Or at least that's what my experience has taught me.

  • Papillon_Mom@xanga

    I'm a CHristian and I TOTALLY disagree.  I actually don't make good friends with women.  I can't stand being friends with most of them.  Too much drama.  Men are so much easier.  I am a tomboy, completely and totally and some of my best friends are guys.  Women tend not to like me.


    And I'm not a young kid either... so this isn't a young mentality speaking.    It's easy to be plutonic friends with the opposite sex. You just have to know your boundaries.

  • sthrhn@xanga

    I definitely agreed.  When I became a sister of sorority, i thought i could kept platonic friendship with my frat brothers.  I was WRONG.  Guys and girls do think differently.  It will be confusing when guys were lead on.


    I radically changed 5 years ago.  I knew the true meaning of being a follower of Jesus Christ.  I was able to find the purpose of my life.  I was touched and inspired when I was able to pray with my sisters and brothers in Christ. 


    However...as a Christian...you definitely can pray for your brothers in Christ.  Pray for them.  That's will be a true meaning of friendship.  YOu do not necessary need to be close with them but PRAY for them.

  • aznLegacy@xanga

    your point seems to marginalize all women into being objects of reproduction..


    i'd start by asking yourself what is a spouse/mate (in marriage)...what are brothers and sisters (in christ) and what are friends?  what are acquaintances?  define them...
    does that mean if you're not attached in a relationship to the opposite sex, you must?  otherwise are limited to being friends with the same sex?  and what happens if you're already married or with someone?  does that mean you're limited to not having friends of the opposite sex?
    you also forget that we're all humans and temptations are everywhere. yes, platonic friends of opposite sexes may eventually turn romantic, but that's not always the case.  what IF you're already married, have a platonic friend that you start having romantic feelings for?  tough luck cuz you gotta suck it up and stop thinking about it.  think of it from the otehr person's perspective?  how would u feel if you were dumped as a friend because that person started having feelings for you?  
    i'd say its a great injustice.
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