Wednesday, 16 July 2008
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"But He's Not Worth Saving!" Pt. 1
In Sunday School growing up, I had always been told that Jonah was afraid to go to Nineveh to minister to the people there. Not true! Jonah didn't think the Ninevites were worth the saving grace of Yahweh. I didn't think I could be like Jonah until I met my neighbor across the hall....This man complains about everything to everyone, gets into fights with the other neighbors and calls the police on them or the bar far down the road for noise. His apartment sometimes smells like vomit, he hit and dented my new car-door with his, he always yells at his pet birds, he sweeps the dirt and debris from between our doors onto my mat and he smokes pot. If I put a bag of garbage on my door-step, he'll toss it down the stairs. The man actually cut down a bunch of sapling trees in the woods right outside my window and he knocked a robin's nest out of a tree this spring (no eggs, at least...he isn't a killer).
I know about Jesus' love for us and how we should spread that around, but I really wanted to avoid my neighbor on this front. He was so angry and bitter that I believed only God could help him....but I didn't want to be the one to "witness". If Jesus wanted my neighbor saved, he could do it on his own.
For the past few months, whenever I paid my tithe to one church or another, my neighbor's name and the idea of giving him the money instead would ring in my mind. Of all the people to give money to...him? He's mean! So the thought couldn't have been Jesus! I was arguing with God about it...or trying to discern if it was really him who was dropping the thought into my head.
"God, he's not worth saving!" As soon as I thought that, a heavy conviction and grieving struck my spirit. How dare I, also a person not worth saving though was saved anyway, think such a thing about another human?!
So [Jonah] complained to the Lord about it: “Didn’t I say before I left home that you would do this, Lord? That is why I ran away to Tarshish! I knew that you are a merciful and compassionate God, slow to get angry and filled with unfailing love. You are eager to turn back from destroying people." Jonah 4:2, NLT
Call me Jonah, because I did do what God asked me to, and with surprising results. I'll share tomorrow what happened, but know my impressions of my neighbor changed completely, and for a moment this afternoon, I saw him as Jesus does.....
To be continued....
Do you ever catch yourself thinking like Jonah - that some people just aren't worth the effort? Has God ever moved you to reach out to someone who seemed beyond help?
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I've heard that before. On the other end, though. "You're hopeless. You're not worth saving." Which was...insulting on one hand but at least I knew said people weren't going to try and convert me anymore.
where is part 2 i want to know-
@shedinator@xanga - Your post reminded me of a sermon not long ago. Our pastor preached a message on Jonah. He said that the next time you pass by someone who you really don't want to talk to, you need to think "Christ died for you." It was very humbling.
@shedinator@xanga - Great examples but Jesus would want to see everyone go to heaven.
but forgiving unconditionally still means nothing if the person does not asks for it and to forgive unconditionally sin loses..well purpose(?)
here's an example lets just say on there's an island full of Christians and one jerk who generally just pisses people off and occasionally assaults them one way or the other generally making thier lives a living hell but every time he is forgiven for these indiscretions against these people. Then one day they all die and all of them go to heaven including the jerk because he was forgiven.
If people are supposed to pay for their sins when they die this will not happen if they constantly receive forgiveness unconditionally and in sense it's unfair for someone to get that kind of treatment while there's other people trying thier hardest to be a good person while the other person who does not try to be good person and makes everyone around them miserable gets in because he was forgiven
@Phoenix_Fire86@xanga - I don't think we can argue that Christians forgiving a man unconditionally will result in that man's salvation. If he truly was living on an island full of Christians, odds are he was presented with the Gospel. If he rejected that Gospel, unfortunately, the man is going to Hell.
We ARE supposed to forgive unconditionally, and we're ALL supposed to pay for our sins. The only difference between you and another person is that you've been forgiven by G-d while they may not have been. There is no example, I repeat; NONE, in which it is acceptable to go against the commands of Christ. I don't care what scenario you make up, it just does not happen. Jesus didn't give caveats or exceptions, we have no right to make them up as we go along.
@shedinator@xanga - of course that's just a hypothetical situation i really don't think that this would happen in real life just made an exaggeration to illuminate the point but i got to thinking just now and by asking this you can clear up another question for me. If Jesus is God and wants us to forgive unconditionally that isn't that some what hypocritical? For the most part i think it's safe to say that God's forgiveness isn't unconditional
@Phoenix_Fire86@xanga - yes it is...
Let me see if I can do this one for you. Okay, G-d forgives all wrongs against him- Jesus demonstrated this while he was on the cross, asking G-d to forgive the ones who crucified him- most of these would not become Christians as far as we can tell from the gospel accounts and the book of Acts. However, forgiveness is not the only thing necessary in order to be "saved." The following are also needed:
Regeneration- The Holy Spirit entering you and making you spirirtually alive, occurs at salvation.
Justification- A term which literally meant "Declared not guilty," this is another thing that happens at salvation, you are not only forgiven, you are pardoned. If you don't think there's a difference, you haven't had to do any hard core forgiveness. There are people who say they have forgiven the man who murdered their loved ones, but still answer honestly when that man is on trial, and their testimony leads to his being declared guilty- he has been forgiven, but he has not been pardoned.
Initial Sanctification- Only that which is holy can enter in to heaven. Each and every one of us is unholy until we ask the Lord to come in to our hearts, and He provides his Spirit.
There is also the need for a confession of faith, which is what causes the first three. Christ said that "Whoever believes in him shall not perish buy have eternal life." John expounded on this by saying "If you confess with your mouth 'Jesus is Lord' and believe in your heart he rose from the dead, you will be saved." These are not the only two places a belief in Christ is stated as being mandatory for salvation, but it really only needs to show up once, so two examples should be plenty.
Forgiveness is not all there is to salvation.
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