Tuesday, 15 July 2008

  • Question of the Day: Christian Musicians on Secular Labels

    from mylifemysalvation

    switchfoot I have heard a variety of opinions about Christians musicians moving onto secular record labels. While there's nothing wrong with Christian labels, if we are commissioned to go to the ends of the earth, how can we do that if we  remain in our Christian groups at church (or for that matter, labels)?

    I dream about pursuing music and being signed to a secular label so I can get out there and reach people using the power of the Holy Spirit. Some people think that Christians get signed to a secular label to get more money, but that is so far from the truth. Switchfoot, Jonah33 and others have signed because they understand that to reach the world for Jesus we have to go out into it. Not because of money, popularity or anything else but to reach the world for Him.

    How do you feel about Christian artists signing onto secular labels or recording a secular album? Are they selling out, or reaching out?

Comments (69)

  • Ancient_Scribe@xanga

    It would depend on the message of their music or whatever their art might be. I think it is strange how people seem to view Christian as "of God" or "with God" and secular as "not of God" or at least "without God" when, really, the secular cannot exist without him. My hope would be that Christian artists signing onto a secular label would do so in order to get the message of their faith out to more people, in a sense being like St. Paul bringing the Gospel to the Gentiles. 

  • MrsDarcy_MrsDarcy_MrsDarcy@xanga

    @Ancient_Scribe@xanga - Absolutely. The whole world is God's, including those areas where He seems to be absent, like secular music. He seems absent only because we have abandoned the field. But He's not. He's there, too.


    In fact, I like the secular label switch is good because, frankly, Christians need the competition to drive them to be better at their art. We haven't done so well lately.

  • HeadStrongChica@xanga

    I don't see it as a negative or bad thing...groups like Switchfoot, The Fray stay true to who they are and don't change for ANYONE...I think it's good to see Christians at the forefront! God called us to go OUT into the world, and they are doing JUST that! Not to mention, they have the opportunity to reach MANY more people than if they were signed to a Christian label. SO I say KUDOS to them for making great music and being themselves!

  • Theophilus166@xanga

    I feel the same way I do when a Christian works for a secular newspaper, or a secular auto maker, or a secular coffee shop, or a secular government.  What does it matter?

  • yourheadispunk@xanga

    I think groups like Switchfoot, Flyleaf, The Afters and Underoath (just to name a few) are doing great works in the world, and staying true to their faith and their love of the Lord.  They preach it like it is whereever they can...they don't water it down, or hold back just 'cause they're in front of secular people.  Some bands have been known to do that, and it's kind of sad that they change because of the label - they re-word songs or just don't say anything on stage...but props to those bands who are still rockin' for Jesus in 'the world' and remain strong for Him.


    I think it's awesome when people hear something like Flyleaf or Underoath and go...wait, they're Christian? once they finally tune into the lyrics and make the connection.  Helps overwrite that stereotype of Christian music being cheesy or whatever. 

  • lissalinn@xanga

    I think they're reaching out. I don't think that they're selling out unless after recording a secular album they forget about the Christian aspect of their of music and drop that part of who they are. If they continue to present and act as Christians then to me there's no problem.

  • UnworthyofHisgrace@xanga

    As long as they keep their lyrics Scriptural, I see know problem in WHO records them, it's whoever they can get the message of Christ spread best and fastest. I have a problem with groups that like Striper...if they are still around, that have the look of the world and sound like the world. If the lyrics of some of these are good and scriptural, you would never know it because the loudness of the music drowns the words out, then they are only hearing music and not words and wild music can send people into frenzies...just look how people act at a loud rock concert. They act like absolute idiots, but thats just what I see.

  • Punk_Rock_Mommy@xanga

    I say good for them.  To be honest, I don't listen to a whole lot of Christian music because so many times, the quality just isn't there.  I really dislike the Compatibility charts I've seen in Christian magazines and bookstores--if you like Artist A in the secular world, then check out Artist B in the Christian world.  And, many times, Artist B is copying Artist A and it's awful.  I love Switchfoot.  Their music targets the human heart and the human condition.  I think sometimes that Christian labels aren't looking for talent but a genre that will translate from the secular to the Christian.  I think of the Christian boy bands that came out in the late 90s during the Nsync/Backstreet Reign of Terror.  It was awful!  

  • pja2@xanga

    I see no problem whatsoever with it.   I also see no problem with them making more money.  I know of one church that does not like the Contemporary Christian music, saying they just want to make money.  ///    that subject is addressed in the Bible....  and there is nothing wrong with them making money...  IF....


    Anyway, before going with a particular secular label... I would want to know as much as I could about them.


    Thank you.

  • shedinator@xanga

    you know, if you're singing worship/Christian songs, and spreading a Christian message, and you're signed with... idunno, let's say Dove, chances are you are going to get played on the Christian stations only, which exist in less than half of America.  If Warner Brothers Records comes along and says "We'll give you 100 times what Dove is paying, book you concerts all over the world, and get your music played on all kinds of rock stations," where is the down side?  If they want you to "tone down the Jesus thing," I can see the problem, and yes, odds are they will only push your least-blatantly Christian single in order to sell the record, but let's recap what's really happened here:


    You were using your gifts to honor the Lord.
    He increased your ministry.
    He also rewarded you monetarily for your faithful service.
    So long as you keep trying to honor Him, there just isn't a downside to this scenario.


    If I'm pastoring a church, and I write a book and it gets distributed to the local Lifeways, etc, that's fine.  If Moodypress or Zondervan wants to do a republish, without changing any of it, and they want to give me more money for it, that is G-d blessing me.  Some pastors even stop taking a salary if their book royalties are sufficient...  Just because you are offered more money does not mean you are selling out.  Selling out is when you are offered more money IF you're willing to change, and you do so.

  • MCTCanadian@xanga

    @Ancient_Scribe@xanga - yes I agree. similar to coldplay's new cd Viva la Vida, it reaches to all types of people either Christian or non-christian.

  • lorili

    Why has this question come up over and over again only for musicians?  Why doesn't the Christian community ask it of every profession?  I work in a secular school district.  Why isn't anyone asking me why I don't just go work for a Christian school?  It's ridiculous.  Making music and recording and selling it is a BUSINESS as well as a ministry, which is the case for all of us.  Most Christians work in a secular environment and are called to also be an example of Christ and a light in darkness.  Period.  This question has been around for 25 years and we are still asking it?  If God has given someone the gift of music, use it to make a living and hopefully the work you do will bring glory to Christ.  Leave the musicians alone.  God bless you for pursing your music career.  So many musicians have had a finger pointed at them from their own church, been discouraged and quit.  A lot of talent wasted, I know because I live with someone who could have had that career and let condemnation win and gave up.  I hope you get signed on a multimillion dollar deal and take Jesus with you wherever you go.  Don't let ANYONE discourage you!

  • Evowookiee@xanga

    I see no problem with being a secular musical artist.  People don't seem to follow the lines of logic when posing the question to their own job.


    If I work for an airplane company...shouldn't it be a Christian airplane company?


    The Music industry is just that...an industry.  Even Christian labels are out to make money...just like everyone else with a job.  I'd rather be honest and say I want to make enough money to support my family doing a job that I love...than a faux spirituality.

  • Evowookiee@xanga

    @MCTCanadian@xanga - I don't find Coldplay to be 'Christian'.  Rather, the extreme hopelessnes in their lyrics bother me more than just a little

  • leadworshipper82

    Tim Foreman said this, "We are Christians by faith, not by genre..."  and while there are bands out there solely for the basis of communicating hope in Jesus... some bands like Casting Crowns, Chris Tomlin or DC*B are saying that they are making music for the church... so that the church will benefit and be fed and built up...


    I frankly don't find anything wrong with it just so long as you don't let the message suffer at the gain of money or popularity or fame... the message must remain in tact for it to work...


    and if u can do that... by all means... sign w/ Warner or Sony or Capital....

  • MCTCanadian@xanga

    @Evowookiee@xanga - If you look at the lyrics Viva La Vida, and songs like Fix you, you can see them to be Christian. There are other hints of Martin to be Christian. Such as him naming his daughter "apple" and his son Moses.

    Their new CD gives so many nodes to how Christianity is today.

  • DorkyandToto@xanga

    Praise God that they are going out to reach the world with the gospel of Jesus Christ and are obeying His command to go into all the world.  

  • droftreeology@xanga

    i think you have to look at the people in the band. switchfoot, for example, is reaching out. they actually went indie a while ago, but you can tell that those band members are genuine about Christ and have all the right priorities.

  • franksabunch@xanga

    If someone has a problem with that then they should quit their job if their boss is not a Christian, no?

  • UNCGFreshness@xanga

    I think it's a great opportunity for them to spread their message to a wider audience.  It would be ignorant to judge them if the message in their remains the same way they started out, and a lot of Christian companies, I agree wtih franksabunch...they wouldn't quit their jobs if their boss wasn't Christian...would they?

  • EccentricSiren@xanga

    I'm a Pagan. I'm also a musician. Does that mean I should be on a Pagan label?
    I don't think a Christian musician needs to be on a Christian label. They should go for whatever label suits their needs.
    To me, it's not reaching out or selling out. It's just a choice.

  • M0OsKK@xanga

    If a Christian musician was presented the choice to be signed to a major label, I think the person would also have a choice to be signed to a Christian label. Music is another output of expression, but finding a publisher is a choice.

    Switchfoot started to become a little frustrated when they were constantly considered a Christian band because they felt that it was limiting them to who they were trying to target or reach out to.They began to cut ties with the Christian music industry, (although Jon Foreman is on his solo project, and that is a Christian project of his).

    Whatever a listener considers "selling out" is subjective. If these guys still consider their music a kind of ministry still, that's their choice. For Switchfoot's early albums, some of the well-known songs provided a sense that there is something bigger out there in life than what is currently present. Which is a gateway to many things and thoughts.

    For a lot of these bands and artists that we can name, still keep their practice in faith important and a priority. Whatever their relation is with God is not our eyes to see. Whether is it a Christian, Humanistic, or just for the love of music as their reasons to do what they're doing, it is their choice. I think the only people that can consider "selling out" is the musicians themselves.

  • FrEaKiE@xanga

    I think if they dont compromise the message being Jesus Christ and Him crucified...then i would consider it okay...but i dont know if going secular is compromising itself...depends on their "message of the cross". NOw if they totally leave Jesus out of it.....pfft...theres not mission statement there....

  • lauralen@xanga
  • the_earth_isnt_humming@xanga

    I actually do think Christian labels are pointless...christian music should be judged in the realm of every other kind of music.  It is just like everything else that is labeled Christian. We, as Christians, try so hard to make everything "Christian-friendly" by making our own little safe sub-culture instead of actually interacting with culture and making music or film that is of quality and not just "Christian-accepted." If all Christian musicians wanted to spread the Gospel and share their faith then they should move to non-Christian labels and make music that is enjoyed and of the same quality as all of the other bands in their genre. 

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