Thursday, 10 July 2008

  • The Bible says: Obey Your Parents....still?

    oakleaf
    by mr. oak

    bunnymedschoo

    One of the greatest mistakes I've ever made was introducing my dad to the wonderful world of computers and (as my parents put it) "interneting" and how you can get pretty much get any song at a click of a button.  Since then I've gotten countless voice messages such as this:

    Dad: Son!  There is emergency...Call me at the office now.  Bye.

    I would then return the phone call in a worried state:

    Oak: Dad!  What's wrong?  Is everything ok?
    Dad: Emergency.  I can't find some song called "lifting up" by Groban Joshua.  I must have it...
    Oak: wait - you called me saying it's an emergency cause you're looking for a Josh Groban song?
    Dad:  oh you know him!  Do you have the mp3?  Go buy and send to me...I will give you 99 cents.
    Oak: .....

    Granted, as a joke I would occasionally send him some hilary duff songs, but nevertheless I would always do it...and strangely happily.  I also get 99 cents in coins sometimes.

    Thinking about this - I noticed that I've come a long way with my parents.  I think one of the toughest things to do is to obey your parents.  The Word speaks of this quite clearly - from "Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right" to "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you."  I've gotten into so many fights with my parents growing up - mostly out of disobedience.  I've ran away, joined gangs, failed classes, did a bunch of stupid things, and even scuffled with my parents.  But after i cleaned up my act (which happened because of them), I still only learned a small nugget about obedience....

    One of the biggest lessons in obedience and what it meant to me came from when I decided not to go to med school.  *cue asian parents gasps*

    All my life, my parents have urged me to go to med school.  Growing up in an asian american home, my parents made it very clear that there are only 3 professions to choose from: 1) Doctor 2) Lawyer 3) Billionaire.  Granted the 3rd one isn't a profession, but my parents also believed that when I whistled at night snakes would come...so better to let crazy sayings be.

    So when I realized that I didn't want to become a doctor (I mean, what's so attractive about helping people in need, curing the sick, and saving lives??  you know??) I knew I was going to brace myself for something huge.  I debated how I was going to tell them.  I mean, afterall - I took the MCATs, practically applied, and was ready to go...It's like watching your son run the race of his life and then stop just short of the finish line.  That was me... 

    So scared out of my wits, wondering how I was going to tell them - here were the options for me to inform my parents that I was going to crush their hopes by not going to med school:

    1.  Puzzle Message
    I would write down on some cardboard that I wasn't going to med school and then cut it up in 2000 rounded pieces.  I would then put it in a box and send it to my parents - they would need to solve the puzzle first - the hope is that they would feel so good about completing the puzzle that they would accept the statement written in it.
    2.  Tattoo Message on Furry Bunny and gift Bunny to parents
    I think this is self explanatory - how could you get mad at a bunny?
    3.  Drive home
    And then pack all my stuff in the car...and after i hug my parents, telling them that i love them, get back in the car - readjust the sideview mirror just enough so i can see them and then yell "I'M NOT GOING TO MED SCHOOL!!!" and then drive off....as fast as possible. 

    Needless to say - I did none of these.  I know it's extreme to make a huge career decision based on my parent's urging - but I really did feel this was a test of obedience for me.  These are the same parents that came to the states because they wanted a better life for us.  The same parents that worked all day so they can put food on the table.  The same parents that fed, listened, talked, and cared for me from the beginning. 

    I generally obey my parents - when they ask me to clean up the trash, clean the pool, wash the dishes etc, I'll do it.  But med school meant so much to them and here I was, not obeying them.  I felt really conflicted there....

    But looking back here's the deal.  Almost everything my parents asked me to do was good for me.  If you're honorparentsyoung and you're still living with your parents, you may not see it - but they really do look out for the best.  The key is understanding that they are not perfect - they too mess up...like you.   But every little thing from brushing your teeth to the big things like putting your money into a savings account - these are all things our parents ask us to do for us.  I hear that once you have a child you instantly forgive your parents for everything...

    So when I sat down with my parents and told them I wasn't going to med school - it was tough.  But through it all i began to realize that what they really wanted was for my happiness.  It wasn't a vendetta to make my life difficult or a badge of honor, but a lot of their urging was based on love.  And ironically - it was the same love that made them realize and accept my decision to not go.  In the end I realized that the key is to ask yourself why your parents are asking for what they're asking for.  Most cases than not it's either out of love, their insecurity, or worries they have in their heart.  It helps to think about this and honor them....

    In the end - I got older.  I'm newly married now and I have officially "cleaved" from my parents.  I have the freedom to not obey my parents any more because I no longer am a child (ok, fine - that's debatable considering I still go down the toy aisles at target) but in the end, although we should obey our parents as children, I think we're called to honor our parents indefinitely. 

    And in that - I love my parents more today than ever before and pray that I will continue to honor them to the day that I die.

    When do you find it most difficult to honor your parents? 

Comments (33)

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    I've come a long way with my parents. Basically, I have awesome parents. They made a conscious decision to stop micromanaging my or my sister's lives as we grew into adults. That doesn't mean they don't suggest and direct, but they make it easy to honor them because they don't demand much.

    My difficulty with honoring them came when, as a teenager, I realized that they weren't perfect and that part of their imperfection had helped to create major emotional damage in me from my childhood.

    I prayed and said basically, "God, how can I honor these people when I'm so angry at them for the things they did to me?" God showed me that it's true that they did some wrong things, but that they could never be perfect anyway. He's the perfect parent, and I can run to Him for the hugs and support I need. I was angry because I thought I had missed out on a happy, trust-filled childhood. Instead, God continues to show me in a million ways that I can be His little girl no matter how old I am and that He will heal the damage.

    I am now able to honor my parents for the wonderful things and to let go, day by day, of the negatives. I am very thankful for my mom and dad, and they make it easy to be thankful because they treat me like an adult even though I still live with them.

  • KechiNeko244@xanga

    I could never get angry at a bunny. :D

  • divinity2B@xanga

    No doubt my parents wan the best for me...in anything and everything. But what I can't stand is when they want to control! Sometimes I just have to do something myself...in order to actually learn. Learning from another person's example won't always work, sometimes you have to learn the hard way. But at least give me the chance to try something I WANT TO DO -- 'cause it is after all my life. They've had their moments...and now I get to live my life!

  • J_Goldens_Shadow@xanga

    Technically, the Bible says to "honor your parents", not necessarily obey them. You should obey them, but only when it's right and in line with God's commandments. That's really the best way to honor them, obedience to God.

  • nathanomir@xanga

    I can only speak from personal experience here.

    I obeyed my parents until I graduated from high school. After that, they stepped down as authority figures in my life and took their place as my friends. While they continued to offer advice, I no longer obeyed them. To have done so would have dishonored them and they said so. Didn't always make it easy because I did some things that drove Mom nuts! In their last years, I did the best to honor them by being their chauffeur and caregiver, having Dad move in with us after Mom died.

    I like to think I did the right things.

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    @J_Goldens_Shadow@xanga - The Bible also says in a different place, "Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right." (Ephesians 6:1, NIV)

  • IrisLoamsdownofDeephallow@xanga

    so what I've always been confused about is when do children stop being children?  I'm 21 and my mother has said before that she thought that I should obey my parents until I get married....she also thinks that I shouldn't move out until I get married...


    anyways, the thing that drives me nuts is that I live in Texas and they live in Kansas (I'm working here for the summer and then going to school in the fall) and my dad STILL will occasionally randomly call me and be like "I need you to do this (insert random errand here)".  granted, I understand that I'm his daughter and I should be willing to do those things (and I am) but he demands it, just assuming that I have nothing else to do and I should be able to drop whatever I have going on to do those things for him.  He also volunteers me to do things for other people that aren't necessary and then he tells me so it's like I can't even really refuse to do it then...I've talked to him about it and he says that he'll try to be more considerate (but his first reaction was that I should be willing to help him out because he's done so much for me).  I told him I am willing to help him out, I just wanted to be treated like a person and given the consideration to be asked.


    so what do you think?

  • shedinator@xanga

    I always saw these instructions as having pretty clear caveats.  "Obey your parents in the Lord," indicates that if your parents are telling you one thing, and G-d is telling you another, you go with the latter.  That might seem pretty basic, but it applies in more ways than one.  I had a teacher tell my mother I was very good in science.  She, too, got stethescopes(sp?) in her eyes, deciding I was going to be a doctor.  Too bad for her, although pretty dang good for my wallet and brain, I can't stand the sight of other people's blood.  I know people that would feel it is necessary to suck up that aversion because mommy dearest wants me to be a doctor.  8 years later, I'm in a Seminary, doing none of the career choices my family recommended.

    "Honor your father and mother, which is the first commandment with a promise..." Yes, I'm referencing Paul, not Exodus, but for some reason many Christians seem to think if the command is in the O.T. it doesn't count, so I point out the N.T. repetitions/parallels when possible.  Honoring and obeying are two different things.  I can disagree with my parents without insulting them in the process, without talking behind their backs, and without rebelling in hopes of soiling their reputation.  I think of honor in the chivalry/samurai manner of being something caused by your beneficial actions, just as dishonor is caused by your negative ones.  In that sense, I think you can continue to give honor to a parent even after you have lost all respect for them, by acting toward them and about them in a manner that does not make others think less of them.
  • shedinator@xanga

    @J_Goldens_Shadow@xanga - "Children, obey your parents in the lord, for this is right." Ephesians 6:1

    "Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord," Colossians 3:20.
    It's definitely in there, the real question seems to be when one stops qualifying as a "child"
  • J_Goldens_Shadow@xanga

    @shedinator@xanga - The answer is simple. You don't. You will always be the children of your parents. I think many loving parents usually tell their kids when they go out to "remember who they are". First and foremost, you are a child of God. You need to honor that heritage. Second, you have been given to the temporary care of parents here on earth, whether or not you still live with them. No matter where you are, who you are with, or what you do, you represent your family, especially your parents.

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    @shedinator@xanga - I think parents have a burden of letting their children go as well. I also think one difficulty is that our culture is so different from the culture of the Bible. Most of us are likely to move out on our own before we get married, which wasn't as likely back then.

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    Many people think that when the Bible tells parents to train up a child in the way he should go, it means honoring the child's gifts and natural personality.

    That would indicate to me that if your parents are trying to force you into the wrong career, then they are not doing what they should, and you shouldn't have to obey them. I am thankful to not have been in this position.

  • shedinator@xanga

    @J_Goldens_Shadow@xanga - There are so many "what ifs" that can be applied to that concept.  Please do not take this as me attacking you, but let's just look at two people.


    One is 17 years old, and his parents have died.  The other is 80, and her parents are still alive and kicking.  Now, the 17 year old, despite being the child of his parents, can not possibly obey them, because they can not give him any commands, unless he is to continue obeying the rules they set for him before they died.  These could be thins like No driving after dark, No girls in your room, and don't use the stove unless one of us is around.  So he either is free of command from parents, or has a curfew, can't be married, and is doomed to eat from the microwave or restaurants for life.The 80 year old, on the other hand, is constantly being told how to live her life by her parents, even though she is married and has great-grandchildren of her own.  Is she still required, based on Ephesians 6:1 and Colossians 3:20, to obey her parents?
    Obviously, both of this cases are hyperbole for argument's sake, but I believe the scripture is clear that when two people get married, they cleave from their parents and become one.  If you're cleaving from your parents, it sounds to me like they're "not the boss of you" anymore.  Are there other situations- reaching the age of responsibility, for example- that yield the same cleaving?
    The Hebrew concept of children was not the ongoing "I am the child of my parents" that is presented today.  You remain your parents' son or daughter, but that does not make you a child.  Paul was, in his own words, a Hebrew of Hebrews.  When they were referring to Children, they discussed them using two words, one similar to our child/toddler, and the other similar to our word "youth" or "Adolescent."  I can only assume that Paul, as a Jew, and as a man speaking in the milieu of his time, was referring not to all sons and daughters, but to the physically immature class of human that we refer to as children.
  • Christie

    So, when is it finally okay to make decisions that go against what your parents want other than when it interferes with God's law. Is it when you become an adult, or there is no true time?

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    @Christie - I think common sense would say it's when you're an adult. I think it was easier in Bible days because we girls, especially, wouldn't be considered adults until marriage. Now, though, we "grow up" in different ways and on a different timeline.

    I honestly believe our parents have a duty to release their hold on us. If they don't and we feel strongly, I think we just have to pray about God's will. I do believe there comes a time when we are free; it's just hard to know when. I would think moving out permanently (not necessarily college if they are still paying) is a fairly reasonable idea of the time when we are released.

    Parents' s wishes may not go against God's law directly, but they might go against His will for their child's life, which is also wrong, though less obviously.

    This is just hard in a society where we don't have a clear age of moving from child to adult, as many societies did in the past. 

  • hannahtan528@xanga

    When choosing your own career, you have to do what it is that you are good at and what you want. If you listen to others, especially your parents, then you'll just end up being misirable with it.

  • jaeternus@xanga
    One of the biggest lessons in obedience and what it meant to me came from when I decided not to go to med school.  *cue asian parents gasps*


    classic!


    but my parents wants me to be 1) Lawyer 2) UN ambassador


    but i want to be a doctor/surgeon/reseacher(scientist)


    and they dont mind the first part of my 3 part career i want to have. (i wonder why? XD)

  • Mac_Libureet@xanga

    I have problems when it comes to music, and friends.  Right now we are struggling with issues over who my friends are or how much time I spend with my friends...Plus how okay the genre 'Christian rock' is for me to listen to.  I understand that they are just trying to do what's best for me but sometimes it is really hard to see it that way.

  • mslisachristine

    My mother, ever since my sister's car accidents, has been a living, breathing GPS tracker.  She has to know where all her children are at all times.  Now, my siblings and I are not bad my any means.  Yet, whenever I go out (when I am back in Houston), I have to call my mother when I arrive at my destination and when I am leaving the destination, especially at night.  This used to frustrate me tremendously.  I would give her the "I-am-20-years-old-and-can-take-care-of-myself" speech.  In the past year, though, I have grown to understand and appreciate her vigilance.  In fact, I have cried over this because I realized she just cares about me that much ... especially at night when people tend to be crazy on the road.    

  • SimplyDaisy@xanga

    Puzzle Message sounds like a good idea.  I'll try that!


    I'm on my last year of being an undergraduate.  My parents urge me to pursue higher education but I'm itching to find a full-time job, get some professional experience, and have no plans of going to a graduate school anytime soon.  I moved away from home three years ago and I think I've accomplished a lot on my own, but I feel like I'm a constant dissappointment to my parents...

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  • xXkawaii__sakuraXx@xanga

    this was a very nice read :).

    "Groban Joshua" aahahhaa that cracked me up XD

  • JandJinJapan@xanga

    Never, really.  When in their house, especially, my wife and I do whatever they tell us.  If either one of us disagrees with either Mom or Dad, it is okay if we discuss it, but when the decision is made by Mom or Dad, we just do what they tell us to do.  Ditto that for Oma and Haymoni in Korea.

  • LyricalJunkie@xanga

    I am going to have a very short life.

  • dcotton87@xanga

    My parents were very involved in my life.  I was the first-born, the studious one, cautious, shy, a daddy's girl.  It wasn't until I was 33 or 34 (a parent myself, on my second marriage) that I realized my parents used emotional blackmail to get me to do what they wanted.  They praised me when I was making what they considered to be the "right" decisions, feeding into my desire to be a "good" daughter.  They played my siblings and I off each other: only one of us was considered the "good" one at any given time.  We all scrambled to be that one.  When I  made a decision they didn't like, I got a lecture about how my "value system" wasn't compatible with the one they had raised my to have. 


    I finally saw this relationship for what it was, and flew the coop, so to speak.  I distanced myself emotionally from my parents, stopped letting them involve themselves so much in my family's life, and became my own person for the first time.  It was very difficult, and there were some hard feelings for awhile, but we now have a much more mature relationship and I don't get near as many lectures!  I will always love my parents, and honor their wishes when to do so would be compatible for what's best for my family.

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