Monday, 23 June 2008

  • America: Believing in a god...but not THE God

    goldenrod by miss goldenrod

    way to heavenIf you've watched any news today, you've seen a report on the Pew Research Center's latest report.  The aspect of the poll that I found extremely disturbing was that 70% of the nation believes that "many religions can lead to eternal life."  Among Christians, those numbers are not too different. Following are the percentages of those Christians who believe Jesus is NOT the only way:

    Jehovah's Witness: 16%
    Mormon: 39%
    Evangelical: 59%
    Protestant: 66%
    Orthodox: 72%
    Catholic: 79%

    These numbers mean that some people reading this believe "many religions can lead to eternal life."  Well, I follow the Bible, and if I believe one part, I ought to believe all parts.  Most particularly the part where Jesus says "I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life.  No one comes to the Father but through me."  John 14:6

    Which part of Jesus' words are difficult to understand?!  I have questions about some things in the Bible, but which part of "nobody gets into eternal paradise with me and my Dad without me" do approximately 65% of Christians who say they believe in Jesus not get?!  I personally believe some Christians don't want to believe in those words...

    This isn't something we can argue with each other about.  You believe or you don't.  

    I believe enough in Jesus and in what the Bible says to take a chance that I'm wrong about him.  I believe enough in the the miracles which have personally happened to me, in the circumstances that could only be Divinely orchestrated, and in the sense of overwhelming love that every so often washes over me in waves. 

    I'm willing to take the gamble that I'm wrong and will end up in an eternal torment or some other state because I believe in Jesus and what he said in the clearest of language.  At the end of this world, when Jesus stands as the only Judge before all people, I'll have just that to say.  

    Whether you're Christian or not, do you believe there are other ways to eternal life than through Jesus?

Comments (106)

  • Pass_the_Aura@xanga

    What's most interesting is that the percentage is lower (i.e. better) among those who most Christians would consider "cult members" (Mormons and JWs; no offense intended) than among "Evangelical" Christians. 

    Two questions: 1) Why is it that those who supposedly have better theology seem to be paying less attention to what Jesus said, and 2) How exactly are we Evangelicals supposed to evangelize if we don't believe Jesus was right? 

    For me the difficulty is not in believing what Jesus said, but in trying to convince someone who doesn't.  It usually comes down to pointing out that it is indeed the words of Jesus--it's not my intolerant idea, but the fact that Jesus offers something no other religious system does.

  • hyper_meets_bouncy@xanga
  • Katty

         No, not at all. You are exactly right when you refered to John 14:6. There is only one way. I'm curious though, I would like the opportunity to speak to one of the Christians that say there are "other ways" to salvation. When confronted with that verse, what is their reaction? If they believe in God, and call themselves a Christian, and yet believe that there is more than one way to heaven, how do they react to what the Bible says about such things. It's mind-boggling(yes, I just used the word boggling) to say the least. I don't understand.

  • paladin_carvin@xanga

    If you live in a nice bubble, I'm sure believing that Jesus is the only way is great. So is believing the entire Bible is without error. It's blissfully naive. The real thing I wonder is... why are so many Christians so... attached to these ideas??  Sure, the Bible says it is without error... but what if -that- is with error? Why is it a package deal?

  • k_stin@xanga

    Not sure if anyone has mentioned this verse, but I noticed that a lot of people that didn't believe that Jesus is the Only Way were pointing out that maybe not everyone has the chance to hear what we believe. Based on this verse in Romans, I believe God gives everybody an opportunity to hear the Truth.


    "Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.  For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualites--his eternal qualities and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."  Romans 1:19-20

  • Punk_Rock_Mommy@xanga

    Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to heaven.  Some may say that I drank the Kool-Aid.  I didn't.  I used to drink the Kool-Aid provided by paganism and atheism.  Oh, and that wonderful social institution, socialism.  Then I realized that I was a sad, sorrowful, hopeless individual.  I challenged God.  I even said "Okay.  Show me what you got."  He did and I haven't looked back since.  It is not arrogance.  It is assurance.  Look at the world around us.  The human race is broken.  We hate.  We hurt...each other.  We argue.  We hold each other in contempt.  We need Christ.  First we need Him to save us.  Second, we need Him to teach us.  There's much talk about other religions.  What about those who never had a choice?  We all have a choice.  And, it must be made on THIS side of heaven.  There is nothing in scripture that says we get one more chance.  I think that is part of the plan so that we don't arrogantly live however we want and with fingers crossed, die, and say "Oh, wait.  Here's my "I'm sorry" card."  It can't work that way because then Jesus died for nothing.  As for children who die and who were raised in non-Christian homes and who never accepted Jesus--I serve a loving, gracious and merciful God who was very clear about children.  He placed the burden on those around these children.  He holds adults accountable, and makes it clear that if one makes a child stumble, then woe to that person.  I fear God.  I love God.  I question His plan for my life and that of others but I don't question His salvation or it all works.  For those in this survey who answered all roads lead to heaven and yet call themselves Christian, I don't believe that they are.  I believe that they are more concerned about feelings than Truth.  You may question the Truth.  You may even ask me to prove it.  I can't prove what is in my heart, my head or my spirit.  But, I challenge you to ask God to show you what He's got.  HE WILL ANSWER.  Pray.  Pray to the Living God.  The God of Abraham.  The Holy Father.  Invite Jesus to spend a day with you.  You will be changed...I have no doubt.

  • viola1032_v2@xanga

    Yes, there are other ways to eternal life without going through Jesus.  Every path goes to eternal life.....it is just whether or not that eternal life is or is not spent in the presence of God.  Jesus is the only way to eternal life with the Father.  Every other path leads to eternal life separated from the Father.


    @sky_gel@xanga - w00t.  exactly what I thought as well.


    @Get_Real_64@xanga - Every major religion has the claim that if you believe you will gain eternal glory?  If you can quote the claims of most of the major religions of this world that state one will achieve eternal glory, your claim about the claims religions make about the afterlife is correct.  However, all of the major religions differ from each other.  They differ on the reasons why there is "evil" and/or "suffering", they differ on their views on God (gods, or no god), and they also differ on how we are to deal with the issue of living in the world that has suffering/evil in it.  The end goals may perhaps be the same (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, but please find these claims), but the method of how you get there is of utmost importance.


    @fading_rainbows@xanga - I do not know if I have this correctly, but does it not say somewhere in the bible that if we do not put our faith and trust in Jesus' death and resurrection that we would be judged by the standards that we judged others (or something along the lines of that line of thought)?  If that is the case, while people will meet Jesus at the end, it would not necessarily be the "Welcome home ____" but quite likely "I do not know you."

  • fading_rainbows@xanga

    @viola1032_v2@xanga - There is a difference between someone who outright rejects Jesus and his teachings and someone who never really got the opportunity to learn about him. The former will look upon His face with hatred, the latter will fall on the ground and cry for having served the wrong god all his life, for all his life he has been looking for a perfect love and never found it until now. At that moment he will put his faith in Jesus. And he will realize he was wrong and admit it openly, and he will want to be with God forever after, and God will forgive him and welcome him.


    And I'm not saying that this is necesarily True. It is one way that it has been explained to me, by a few people, and based on what I know about Jesus it makes sense to me, and I believe it, but of course I could be wrong.

  • write4liberation@xanga

    while i believe in Christ and following him will lead to eternal life, i dont believe that only Christians go to heaven. 

    if Christianity were the only path to heaven, then there would be so many kind, good-hearted, pure people who would be going to hell. if you were born into a religion based on morality (as most are) that was not christian, islam, for example, it is unlikely that you would be compelled to convert from something you were born believing. 

    Jesus is mercifful, and they're are alot of people belonging to non-Christian religions that are doing a far better job of living as Christ did than Christians.  i believe jews go to heaven, muslims go to heaven, buddhists go to heaven, jains go to heaven, even hindus go to heaven. 
    Jesus told us, above all love, and Christians are not the only ones capable of love.

  • maydette@xanga

    very well said!
    Amen to that!

  • PlainXJane@xanga

    I highly doubt that you follow every one of the Bible's statements.
    Most of us would rather not believe that a significant number of our friends, colleagues, family members, etc. are going to hell.
    Maybe that's why I'm not Christian.  I guess I'm going to hell. :)

  • The__True__Path@xanga

    Hello Cygnus,
    I see that you believe that Jesus is the way to eternal life. That is a widespread and popular belief among the nominal Christians. What they are about to find out soon, the hard way, is that "Jesus" is not the name of God’s Son. That’s for starters. God’s Son is really named Yehoshua, in Hebrew. Yehoshua transliterates to Jehoshua in English. The name, "Jesus" comes from the Greek word "Iesous" which translates as "Hail Zeus" in English. Yes, Zeus, the Roman god. People who worship "Hail Zeus" are headed for disaster. That is exactly why Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship "Hail Zeus". We are among the few Christians who do not! Here is a much better idea: 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered; (Joel 2:32) (ASV)

  • infinite_opportunities@xanga

    I believe that when we die we're just bodies in the dirt. Nothing else happens after that, in my opinion.

    In case you haven't realised, I'm an Atheist.
  • RUSpeshul@xanga

    RE: "You believe or you don't."


    Put me down as a "don't."

  • RUSpeshul@xanga

    Is there something about Xanga that I don't know about. What is with all the hardcore bible thumping Jesus freaks on this site? Is Xanga owned by a group of evangelicals or something?


    I can't count how many people who there whole Xanga profile is a "God this" and "Jesus that," not mention prolife, anti-gay, pro republican, anti democrat, pro death penalty...


    I feel like I've been swatted with the bible belt.

  • Sandcastles@xanga

    I grew up with people involved with witchcraft, calling up spirits, ESP, astral projection, etc. I accepted the gift of Y'shua's (Jesus') sacrifice when in my mid-teens and I am now 50. I've lived both "sides" and I've had too many experiences with the only true living God to ever believe in anything other than the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the only way.

  • HeavyThinker@xanga

    Finding God is like climbing a mountain. There are MANY well-worn paths to reach the summit. However, though it may more difficult and perilous, one does not necessarily need to take one of those paths to reach the mountain top.
    The belief you claim is the fundamental problem with both Christianity and Islam. They arrogantly proclaim that their way is the only way, and those that do not believe in their way are going to Hell. This has been the cause of every holy war and the reason why today the middle east has still never endured a lasting peace.
    And what about the millions or perhaps billions of people who lived and died before Jesus existed or before they had ever heard of his existence? I refuse to believe that any version of what people call "God" would be so cruel as to condemn them to Hell.

  • fading_rainbows@xanga

    @HeavyThinker@xanga - I don't know if you consider yourself a Christian or not. If not, nothing I say will matter much. But Christianity does not teach that any other religion could be right. And as for the "millions or perhaps billions of people who lived and died before Jesus existed"...well they didn't. Nothing and no one existed before Jesus, He was there at the Beginning. I think you're probably referring to the time He spent here on Earth. As far as that goes, Revelation teaches that the dead will be brought up from their graves to be judged as well. So some will go to Hell and some won't.

  • beachblondie711@xanga

    @HeartOfPandora@xanga - wow. my sentiments exactly. I don't believe in absolute truth. I believe there can be different truths for every person on this earth, and they can all still be true. Nobody understands what I mean when I say this. When you look at it through the perspective you've offered, I think you can start to understand.


    I believe in God, and Jesus. But I can't bring myself to say that my way is the only way. I can't do it. That's my truth, but not THE truth.


    Have you (HeartOfPandora OR the person who posted this) ever heard of or read the book "The Poisonwood Bible" by Barbara Kingsolver? It offers an incredible perspective on this that I think everybody needs to read.

  • Sayitwell@xanga

    How can you be sure those are the original words in the bible? It has been translated over six times to get to ESV you know?
    How can you be sure that Jesus hasn't changed his mind since then? He is supposed to be a nice guy after all.

    And since when, if ever, has it been the place of man to interpret the word of God?
     I may not share your faith, but I won't tell you outright that it's wrong. You could be right - but if you are, I'd hope it took more than the narrow view of men to set the mark.

  • ajfirecracker@xanga

    Actually, there's a great deal wrong with the original post and with the comments.

    Some religions do adopt the view that you can reach paradise/enlightenment/whatever by other means. Hinduism, I believe, is an example. Buddhism doesn't really claim that there's any particular method to reach enlightenment, and Daoism and Jainism also fail to make the sort of exclusivity claims you're talking about.

    Secondly, I can prove that even Christian salvation must be possible without Christ if it is possible with him: the Bible repeatedly (and Christ himself) claims that Moses, Abraham, and Elijah made it to heaven. None had Christ, and all sinned. But, more to the point, if it's possible for them to make it into heaven without Christ it's possible for anyone. There were just human beings, albeit (in the Judeo-Christian claims) humans touched by God. Samson supposedly received the blessing of God even after he'd let Delilah cut his hair, so one could easily claim that he'd make it into heaven. David is supposed to have made it as well, right? The claim of Christ being the only way is ludicrous, and the Jews were by and large smart enough to realize that it contradicted the tradition it was built on. To be more precise, if the Christian tradition is correct, the Jewish tradition must be correct. If that's the case, then the Christian tradition is not completely correct, because the claim of exclusivity contradicts beliefs that even Jesus supported. You could argue that if Christ is one with the original God-figure, then the earlier salvations were at least indirectly through Christ. However, this creates all sorts of thorns in that one could simply go back to being Jewish and Christians would have to consider that a form of Christianity, or else deny the ascension of the earlier prophets and leaders.

  • Kristenmomof3@xanga

    @RUSpeshul@xanga - Revlife is the Christian area by Xanga. That is why there are so many Christians in this one area.

  • newspaper_clipping@xanga

    There is no reason to be upset with someone over what they believe.


    I do not believe in eternal life at all, through Jesus included.

  • christculture@xanga

    @fading_rainbows@xanga - There is an aspect of theology called general revelation, meaning, what we understand about the creator as well as morality based on our perception of the world around us.

    For what can be known about
    God is manifest plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the
    creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity,
    has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are
    without excuse

    ” (Romans 1:19–20).

    So in the situation you mentioned, where a person was never exposed to the gospel of Jesus Christ, you have a situation where they will be examined as to what they did with their understanding of creation and the Creator behind it. This is a very oversimplified response which I'm trying to keep short. But here is a useful resource you can refer to.
    http://www.letusreason.org/Apolo17.htm

  • empressayame@xanga

    why worry about eternal life when you're living now? Is there even a real afterlife? it seems that many christians use the avoidance of hell to justify their choice to live as a christian. (shouldn't you choose to be christian regardless of the fact that you MIGHT escape a flaming afterlife?) Be a good person; live morally and ethically. Be the best person you can be regardless of your religion. I think that's the way to eternal happiness in this life and presumably your "afterlife".

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