Monday, 23 June 2008
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"Mummy, Did God Punish Us?"
by mrs violet
It was early November 2007 and we had finally managed to squeeze in a week's holiday after 3 years. When you are married to a consultant, holidays can be hard to come by. If you don't work, you don't get paid, and when you work in the area of Risk Management there is always SOME pressing crisis that needs your attention - a fraud, a system that needs overhauled or some other squeaky wheel demanding your attention.This time however, I must have squeaked loudest because we managed a week away.
We had just left our church of almost 5 years, and were settling into a new one when we decided to get away for awhile. Subsequently, we skipped church a couple of weeks in a row.
But wouldn't you know it, after weeks of gorgeous Australian spring weather, it began to rain, and rain and rain. The children were very disappointed. We had rented a house at the beach and were looking forward to some good salty swimming, boogie boarding and hanging out with mum and dad on the white sands.
My husband and I, while mildly let down by the weather, breathed a secret sigh of relief. Although it meant 5 children cooped were up inside a house, it also meant much less running around. We were exhausted. He from work, and me emotionally, physically and spiritually burnt out from leaving church.
We spent time watching DVDs, playing games, doing puzzles and the children took much delight in wrestling with daddy in the large garage down stairs.
My 9 year-old daughter caught me over Sunday morning coffee. She looked a little disappointed and I wondered what was wrong. She asked me in the way a 9 year-old does, if God had punished us for not going to church by sending the rain and spoiling our holiday.
Oh my, I felt sick! Where had that come from? Is this an attitude that I had exhibited? Had I really given them a Santa Claus view of God where He was making a list, checking it twice, going to find out who's naughty and nice?
What does this say about God the Father, who I know wants nothing more than to sit with that little girl, rain, hail or shine and just love her?!
We had the necessary chat, as I sat her on my lap and explained that God simply does not work that way. God probably had all kinds of reasons for the rain that week, but none of them had to do with us not attending church. It was all I could manage at the time. The rippling affect on my psyche had already started and I was off in the land of mother guilt trying to figure out where I had gone wrong.
When things aren't going your way, do you ever wonder if God's punishing you?
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There's more to Christianity than just attending a church every week.
Yes, I get that feeling often. Then again, with every good deed comes a reward as well. So I feel it's all fair and balanced in the end.
I wish I didn't have to work on Sundays or else I'd be going back to church as well. I could go Sat nights but it's a rush because I have to start taking the train now instead of driving. Ah well, such is life I suppose.
In answer to ur question, yes i do actually. Especially when you know/feel specifically that God has told you to do something, yet you don't go do it. I have been going through a patch where i can feel every week/day there is a sign from God to 'do something'. That something is to change something within me to become someone he wants me to become, the reason why we are placed in certain places. However, out of fear, laziness, being too busy etc etc, i have an excuse for everything, i am not doing what is required of me, as i know what i need to do is not a bad thing. In fact, it may make my life a lot more worth its living. i feel God is strongly reaching out to me and i never listen. Then...the so called 'bad luck' happens...all things going wrong, you don't get a placement here, you fail an exam despite working really hard, your car breaks down etc etc. Then you have a thought...am i being punished for something i should have done but not? or is God warning me that you had better act on my words....or well, you may regret it later?
This is dangerous territory, it's best to assume that no matter how faithful or unfaithful one is, God isn't handing out punishment or boons. This would bring into question all kinds of world scenarios, of cancer children and the slaughter of innocents of which the only defense in the end will be "God works in mysterious ways" or some variant.
Well thats hard to say sometimes. I mean, the Bible says," God disciplines those in who He loves." So in a way I know if we sin against God then it has consequences. It doesn't mean He is going to get us for what we did but if we put something above Him, usually He will take it away because He wants to be first but in that case maybe He just knew what was best and that you needed a vacation to rest and not burn out even more but all the activities. Maybe He knew that family time was what you really needed.
Yes, I do believe that in some ways, he hurts those that he loved. That, and in fact we can be so selfish for doing doing something that is so effortless compared for what He has done to us. I will remember this entry every time I skip a service. Though, there are times when God is just testing us.
I don't think you were being punished with the rain, trying to have a vacation with your family. Even it means to miss church sometimes. God knows what is best for us. We have to praise Him for the rain as well for the nice weather, You needed your time with your family,bonding time with your children is very important, they grow very fast, before your know they will be on their own and then you'll being wondering where the time went. Please don't feel guilty for doing something like building up a relationship with your family. Children don't want things given to them to keep them happy, ( Sometimes they say thats what they want) but deep down they want your time....., What an awesome opportunity for you that the rain happened so you can have time with your children.....
I do feel like I am being opunished sometimes when things don't go my way. Sometimes we are being ounished. I know that God is just and able to forgive us of all of our sins but we still have to live with the consequences.
I don't think that God was punishing you guys for missing chruch. That was just conviction. I know how hard it is to leave a church. Whether you leave because of circumstances in the church or because you have to relocated it's always hard. But remember WE are the church.
I certainly don't believe God punished you for not going to church a few times. That would be legalism, and the Bible tells us that we are not under law but under grace. God does discipline His children, but it is always done in love and is always redemptive. He doesn't ruin people's good times to get back at them. His discipline is meant to draw us to Him, not push us away.
I don't think you should worry about your little girl too much. She knows God is a Father, and she knows that people are called to go to church. She also knows God controls the weather. Her connection was not too farfetched. I think that your explanation of God's loving heart was just what she needed to hear. Maybe God allowed her to ask you that question just so you could reinforce His gentle love to her.
I don't ever think that God makes things not go my way to punish me. I think it's usually to teach me something, whether I did something to make it happen or I was just lacking in a fruit of the spirit. Like, if I have to wait a really long time for something that I really want to happen, He could be trying to give me patience.
@HumeTheKitch@xanga - This is dangerous territory, it's best to
assume that no matter how faithful or unfaithful one is, God isn't
handing out punishment or boons.
So you must be one of those persons that doesn't believe all of God's word. It's very clear that God does judge us. Read Hebrews 12:5-11.
I have to admit that I sometimes will think this way and say "why God? Why are you punishing me?!" But deep down, I don't believe he is. I also will sometimes go the other way and will think "hmm....everything seems to be going along so nicely right now....I wonder what bad thing is going to happen?" I have to keep remembering Romans 8:28....."And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
I don't believe that God punishes. I think some of us would like to believe that there is a reason for hardship; it gives us a sense of control. To know that we can fix our hardships would be a great comfort indeed, but not everything that happens stems back to God; some things that happen stem back to fellow humans and sometimes just life. If only there were a definate reward/punishment system on earth... life would be so much simpler and much more comforting indeed.
just go to church this sunday and see if the weather's nice!
I'll admit that sometimes I do. I'll pray and ask God if I have sinned in my heart or in actions. I believe that this is healthy for a Christian to do, as numerous timesi n the Bible, such men and women as Joshua, David, Moses, Ruth, Naomi, and others have -- when going through terrible circumstances -- either prayed or stated out loud that God was punishing them. God sends terrible circumstances for two reasons, and two reasons only: (1.) to recall sinners from their sin, to remind them that judgment is coming, and (2.) to strengthen his followers, his children. I think this wonderful 9-year-old's question was legitimate, and not really areflection of poor parenting: if anything, it was a reflection of RIGHT parenting! After all, how many parents tend to "rain on the parades" of children when they disobey? How often does God do that to us in modern times, and how often did he do it in the Bible times? I srael had an evil king named Ahab: what did God do? He shut up the windows of heaven for three and a half years. The world was an exceedingly evil place: what did God do? He warned Noah (who preached to his neighbors for 120 years) to build an Ark because he was going to send a diluge of water. Joshua and the children of Israel were defeated at the small city of Ai, after conquoring the great city of Jericho: what did God do? He sent a spirit of fear into the Israelites and they were defeated. These are just a few examples from the Bible.
I really don't believe that this was an instance of God punishing the family for skipping church: shucks, how many times have refrained from getting to the house of God on Sunday, and the day was sunny and nice? However, in the flip side of that coin, how many times has God sent inclimate weather or some other calamity into my life precisely becausde I disobeyed him? Never teach that God does not punish for disobedience and will not reward for following him.
Since Jesus took my "punishment" I almost never feel I am being punished. I often look at circumstances in my life as loving reminders of who is God and who is not God, and my complete dependence on him. Often circumstances are just there, so God can show up and be the hero. He's loves a great story.
And in regard to sin...I've always sort of viewed God as the concerned parent. God tells us not is sin because he loves us, not because he's on some sort of cosmic power trip, or because he actually thinks we can achieve holy lives by not sinning. Just as a parent says don't touch the pan, it's hot...it will hurt you, God says, please don't sin, it might look fun, but it's going to hurt you. And when that child touches the pan, most parents, even though they warned them, feel bad for their child because he's hurt. God still is sad, saying I wish you wouldn't have done that...I know it hurts you so much.
@Vektor1@xanga - true there's more to Christianity than just attending church every week. But the minimal is attending church every week. It is a command in the Bible to set aside time for God.
I would not, in full knee-jerk fashion, perfunctorily rule out the possibility that God was punishing her for not going to church. However, I would tell her that I thought it highly unlikely, given that she is unable to decide for the family whether they go to church or not.
Thence, I would add that if she feels somewhat guilty, she may be different from me (her mother), and that it is entirely possible that God was in fact using the rain to punish her (for something, maybe merely not expressing her desire to attend church loudly and clearly, early enough to have an effect on the decision-making process) while He was not punishing anyone else.
Then, I would end by adding that even given that possiblity (after all, all things are possible with God), I would say that I felt fairly sure, given my longer understanding of God, that that was probably not God's intent for her and the rain at all.
Rain is good, even though admittely, you cannot play the more active games as freely. Rain presents a wonderful, and necessary, opportunity to engage in more reflective activies. There is nothing wrong with that. However, there is great opportunity for moral misstep in not accepting every bit of weather God gives us and making the most of that opportunity, joyously. Shux, it's great just to live! We should be glad at any sort of weather, and question ourselves when we find we are not entirely delighted.
Too, I would end by telling her that nothing that I know of in the Bible says you must go to church every week. Yes, in the book of James, there is a part which says, "Neglect not to gather together." That is strong support for church attendance, and other gatherings midweek. For that matter, I see it as generally better to play softball on Tuesday afternoon with a bunch of Christian friends than a bunch of heathens.
We know, too, that "wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am with you." That tells us that "wherever" is wherever, meaning authentic Christian communion is by no means confined to the inside of a church. The thing I like about a church is that when I go there, I know I can engage people who will respect the Bible as a basis for argument and glorification. There is much to be said for that, compared to what sort of people you get outside the church.
But I would be careful about the inherent possibility of handicapping her by telling her that God simply "does not work that way," meaning you take on the authority to rule out the possiblity that He might be punishing her. A little fear of God, and understanding that He has a long history of punishing his beloved creations. I see a lot or problems with the blithe modern "Christian" assumption that God never punishes.
@Vektor1@xanga - indeed there is, I agree. I would far rather her reflect the fruit of he Spirit and be in relationship with her Father God.
@LydJaGillers@xanga - thanks for your response to this. It must be hard to work on Sundays.
@CiCi - hmmm tough one, God certainly does ask things of us that are for OUR best. Sometimes I do think we reap natural consequences of our actions, and some times we probably reap supernatural ones as well.
How are you doing with this, this week?
@HumeTheKitch@xanga - I agree, and thank you for your comment. Sorry it has taken me so long too get back too it.
@mylifemysalvation@xanga - I certainly 'felt' the need for rest, so I could myself feel the providence of God in allowing that too happen.... thanks for your comment.
@BlueFabian@xanga - so you believe God would punish you for missing church? Hmm would love to hear more of your thoughts.
@nita105 - Indeed we ARE the church, I agree totally
@Padooker@xanga - I think had we have committed a 'sin' I could possibly believe God was punishing us, but there was no sin, in not going to church for a week. While I definitely agree that God disciplines those He loves, I don't really think this was one of those occasions. But I appreciate your thoughts on it.
@kangaroo5383@xanga - I think that attending church is for our own good and not really a minimal requirement of Christianity. I think it is healthy for us to be in fellowship, but I don't believe at all it is a prerequisite for salvation.
@thepurpleporpoise - I much prefer to think in terms of discipline than punishment. I agree Jesus took that for us on the cross. That is such a great way of looking at it. Maybe I am playing with semantics I don't know.
I really love your comment!
@JandJinJapan@xanga - Oh I certainly believe that God disciplines his children, no doubt about that. My main concern was, had I some how imparted a 'legalism' in her life. While I want her to develop good healthy christian practices. No where does it say in the bible that not attending church = punishment from God. Yet sometimes 'we' Christians can put all kinds of HARSH emphasis on things that the bible doesn't make. Had we of been 'giving up meeting together' with other Christians, I think my talk with her would have been quite different. Thanks for your thought provoking comments.
@mystic1@xanga - lol the weather is hardly ever nice in the UK I don't know that that would be playing fair!!!
@antisocialfriend@xanga - thanks for your reply. I think we do often seek things that pacify our minds so that we do feel order, I think you are correct in this.
@justinsmommy@xanga - ... I certainly felt that Romans 8:28 was at play that week, because the rain = rest for my husband and I, and rest = good lol! Thanks for your comment I appreciated it.
@beckylou_who - I stopped praying for patience years ago, every time I did something would happen that tested it lol. I think this is how God hones these types of qualities in us!!
@Pickwick12@xanga - I agree, it was legalism I was trying to avoid with her.