Wednesday, 21 May 2008
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Guitar? Check. Microphone? Check. $1 mil soundsystem? ...
In continuing the theme of Praise/Worship, I have a question for you guys:
State-of-the-art, multi-million dollar Audio/Visual equipment for the church - worthy investment to enhance worship or misdirected use of church funds?
Personally, I love that my church invests in quality equipment, training, and personnel to aurally and visually enhance our services. Our equipment is not as nice as that of say, Willow Creek Community Church (Bill Hybel's church, see photo), but it's by far the most expensive and professional that I've seen in person.My friend, on the other hand, thinks the money that we spent for that kind of equipment could have been used for charity or missions. Last week especially, the Media Director used a fun/party light cue for our final worship song that I thought was fitting, but she thought felt like a dance club. It didn't add to her worship experience, but it did to mine.
Our Media Director sees it this way - that back in the day, the church commissioned (aka paid mad money) artists for their work (Michelangelo and the Sistine Chapel, for example). Now, we spend the money on multimedia. He believes it is the language of this generation, therefore we need to speak it.
On the flip side, a church can have all the fancy equipment and no Holy Spirit, which would effectively make worship non-existent or useless.
So what's your take?
Does all the fancy equipment add to your worship experience or detract from it? Do you think churches are spending their money wisely when they purchase thousands or millions of dollars of A/V equipment?
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i think there's a point at which it makes sense... but beyond that, it's a bit much.
if the payments go towards a sistine chapel though, i don't think anyone would complain!
Agreed with john - there's definitely a point, but $1mm + bucks?!?! To me that feels like one of those huge budget movies that delivers stunning effects without any real substance. That feels like the danger here...
As a tidbit, I do attend WWCC. When I first started it was the weirdest thing to sit and have such a loud service. But I've been there long enough now to know that they get the message and theology right. So, it's not spiritually empty. At the same time, they've done some cool things, like put flat TV's in the row with the wheelchairs, because you know when everyone stands up, anyone in a wheelchair can no longer see what's going on (except those in the front row). Having a screen there allows them to still see and participate fully. And I also found out (recently as I got a tour backstage), that things purchased for the church get reused, shuffled around or given to those in need when they've determined they don't need them any longer. All purchases have many, many lives there.
In short, I don't think the issue is as simple as 'worth the experience'. There can be a lot rolled into it and from it as well.
i'm a praise leader
i say do what works, cut off all superfluous things.
in the end God is what makes you sound good, God is the only one i think who adds to the worship experience.
i went to passion 08, and i can honestly say that my worship experience there was not affected or assisted at all because of sound and lights. it was the same as at my home church only what made it better was i guess corporate worship with thousands of other people.
so in the end, get what's right, what you need, nothing else.
In my own opinion, that is way way too much. I prefer small churches. Small enough for almost everybody to know everybody. If church is that small, fancy expensive equips are not needed. In my little church, only two loudspeakers were needed at the back since we were meeting in former military semi-quoent building (long round metal structure). Exceptions is for those who have special needs.
there are points for both sides, and I attend a small church that has an amazing system considering our size. I'm on the worship team and I benefit directly from the extra money they dished out for the sytem that we have. it makes it easier to do my job. period. I have better sound, I'm not struggling to hear vocalists or musicians. people aren't struggling to sing the songs because we use an outdated projector. proper sound makes it EASIER for everyone to focus on the one thing they should be focused on during worship - God.
now if light shows and media and bells and whistles are distracting for the congregation, then by all means, mellow it out. but I think for a church that has a diversity of age groups, those things only enhance the worship experience.
now could we make do with less? absolutely. there's nothing I love more than no lights, no sheet music, no projectors, my guitar and my voice the only instruments. the intimacy is beautiful. but is that conducive to anything beyond 10-15 people in a small setting? probably not. could the money go to missions and the poor and a million other good causes? absolutely! but who is to say that worshipping God and bringing His people into His presence isn't a worthy cause? who's to say that that isn't a mission field for a lost soul who visits that morning and is impacted by it? I think there's a limit and really that should be set by the church size, needs and budget.
Please, if you have $1 to spend, we can feed a lot of children for a long time with that. Which means that the little ones who we see die now for lack of simple food and medicine, could still be alive in a year or more. Healthy, happy. "Feed the hungry and clothe the naked" teaches Jesus - Whose Name has not yet appeared here - "For then you are doing that to me."
We do this with only what we can earn with our own hands...
Music is the laughter of children. Praise is their happiness and life.
I read this entry with incredulity, to be honest. But you are in the US and I am in Ireland. Media director? You speak a different language indeed. Not one we would speak.
Blessings on your journey, as we fight to save tiny lives.
Personally I would be against this. Not because it's bad but it has the potential of corrupting the mind of a saint. It's kind of like how John Piper signs away his royalties to all the books he writes so that he's not tempted w/ a lot of money. Another example would be alcohol. I don't think alcohol in itself is bad but it has the potential of leading to sin. Expensive sound systens in itself is not bad but the more gray areas a church has, the more potential of corruption it holds.
I'm the media director at my church and we have a nice sound system (10k or so) and a single projector. It's expensive enough that it has quality sound, and yet not so fully decked out in the use of having multiple projectors. Ultimately, it comes down the Holy Spirit to do His work. If the singers aren't filled with Him, then the whole experience isn't going to be worth it. So as nice as they sound through the system, it won't be effective in the least bit.
I agree with what fsholo says about the potential of corruption.
to speak about the visual/audio culture of this generation- we are most definitely a generation that relies heavily on audio/video cues. Worship leaders like Matt Redman, Chris Tomlin and the Hillsong movement, all use audio and visual cues to aid people into worship. So in that aspect, its totally worth it. as long as it doesn't turn into a show.Â
For me, it has nothing to do with how fancy the equipment is, or even how loud the music is (which we have received complaints about when the youth band plays in the main service), but whether or not it comes from the performers hearts. There are times (most of the times I am in the main service at my church, actually) that I feel it is more of a concert or theatrical performance than worship. I have trouble getting into a worshipful mindset if I feel the performers are not feeling it with their whole heart. I know for sure the sound systems and AV systems don't make it any more or less meaningful. The youth band has played in the main service and it feels like normal, even though there is more working AV equipment in the main auditorium. We also had worship outside once, with acoustic guitars and an African drum. Even though we were by the highway and most of the people didn't know the words, it was still meaningful. So the equipment can add to the experience, but it mainly has to do with the hearts of those performing, and your heart as well.
As a worship leader, I can definitely appreciate when there's a nice system to plug into. Our ministry is relatively small and share the resources provided by our church. I can't begin to describe the frustrations we encounter when things start to break or connections loosening.
That said, I think I'd rather have a worship service service done with just acoustic guitars and voices than a huge $1 mil setup. But that's my personal preference. Some people feel they can worship God in different settings. Sometimes it's necessary to spend the money merely on how much larger the service is. But the "performance" setting doesn't work for me. Same goes for services that try to appeal entirely to the emotions.
When it comes down to it though, like many others have said, it's up to the hearts of the worshiper that matters.
That picture looks a lot like a church right here in GA that I attend. Coincidence?
i cannot say whether it is wise of a church to spend money on that stuff because i do not know the income of the church, how they spend all of their money nor the needs of their community. (if all this brings a church into debt, then it is wrong.)
however, music is ministry and does lead people to Christ. nothing wrong with wanting to reach out to this generation in their language of technology. i am all for that.
and yes, of course, never let multimedia be the driving force to bring people in... let it be Jesus, the Holy Spirt... let Him lead the leadership in how to reach out to their community.
the church must not be afraid to reach out and try something new for the sake of the Gospel. and like everything else... never ever ever let it take the place of Jesus Christ.
and don't be stingy with giving to other ministries/outreaches/community for the sake of "technology reaching the young people"... balance is indeed the key in everything. Keep Christ center... follow His leading and it'll work out.
As a former worship leader and still a tech junky/ sound engineer, I love equipment, but has it gone over board, well it depends. BTW I've lead worship in both settings and must say that sometimes the simple equipment is just as effective as the most expensive equipment, it's just the movement of the Spirit that we're after.
Does is distract people from Whom you are there to worship? If there is enough people saying yes, then it's a major verification, but if there's just a few, it may not be their cup of tea. You know then again you can argue that God uses the smallest voice to talk sometimes so it may be that person who doesn't like it is correct.
Now regarding sound equipement, if you need 10,000 watts of power, then you must be using Wimbley Stadium and are Hillsong London reaching millions, but then again they have a nice A/V rig as well, but it does add to their style of worship. It really depends on the style of worship for the Church. The focus is God not the A/V equipment, even though it does distract those who do appreciate the equipment when visiting a new place and be like WOW that is a nice rack of amps or the world's largest mixer, or worlds most custom guitar...you know what I mean. It's really more a personal thing as well.
I may be riding the fence with my answer, but it's some what of a personal thought. Sweeping statements are just generalizations. Just like body parts, opinions of the amount of worship equipment, everyone's got one.
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@marc@xanga -Â
I believe it goes with the territory of the size of the church. You need to amp up enough wattage to reach the mass of people in a large church and each amp is very expensive. Could they go for the less expensive brands, of course.
@noodley@xanga -Â
Totally agree here. I've had the most spirit filled worship time in the most acoustic lack of equipment settings as the most amped up arena type places.
Sometimes less is more, but then it gets hard to hear acoustic guitars in an out door setting 100 rows back =)
@mjh905@xanga - I agree about small churches :)
I live in a city of churches -- lots of them. And I work in a place from which several of these churches get their sound and lighting equipment. But, my coworkers are predominantly non-Christian, and I think their reaction to how much churches spend is worth note. I remember my manager wondering aloud, "What's a church need ten grand's worth of lighting for?" This stuck with me because I wonder not only what good the equipment's doing, but what it says (esp. to non-Christians) about church priorities. As a musician, I have a much easier time understanding the justification for good sound equipment than the lighting. My personal preferences for church size and equipment aside, I think the legitimate concern remains of how much is justifiable, and at what point it becomes a kind of excess or technological gluttony.